I believe in gay marriage

[GrayWolf]

I am not taking away how nice these 2 people may be...
can't be 2 parents though.
physically impossible..
takes on of each
each one of those be 1 parent...good or bad.
everybody by definition will have 2 parents,
only one can and will be female,
other one has got to be male...
simple



Oh yeah, happy new year....

Actually you are not strictly correct..the Verb definition of 'parent' is to raise, nurture or care for a child.... it's not gender specific, or exclusive.

verb
verb: parent; 3rd person present: parents; past tense: parented; past participle: parented; gerund or present participle: parenting

1.
be or act as a mother or father to (someone).
"exhaustion is incompatible with good parenting"
synonyms: bring up, be the parent of, look after, take care of, rear, raise, nurture
"all children are special to those who parent them"

[awayatc]

The year has barely started, and I am allready been proven wrong....
must be getting old...
definitely old fashioned.
Know of a few same sex parent situations..
am not a fan
takes one of each to make children...
that has got to be a clue surely....

[yokel]

The year has barely started, and I am allready been proven wrong....
must be getting old...
definitely old fashioned.
Know of a few same sex parent situations..
am not a fan
takes one of each to make children...
that has got to be a clue surely....

Remember the old saying "wait till your father gets home"
Mothers do the nurturing and fathers do the raising like discipline.

Women are hopeless at raising kids

[Oakie]

Remember the old saying "wait till your father gets home"
Mothers do the nurturing and fathers do the raising like discipline.

Women are hopeless at raising kids

That is a hopeless generalisation. I think the families where the mother is hopeless, the father is probably even more hopeless!

[mashman]

Remember the old saying "wait till your father gets home"
Mothers do the nurturing and fathers do the raising like discipline.

Women are hopeless at raising kids

You realise that makes lone female parents superhuman?

[yokel]

That is a hopeless generalisation. I think the families where the mother is hopeless, the father is probably even more hopeless!

What the he'll is a hopeless generalisation?

Anyway women naturally hopeless, men are conditioned or given bad examples to be hopeless

[HenryDorsetCase]

Marriage is a religious term ... my only problem with legal same-sex unions is that, if it became law, clergy who believe as you seem to do may be obliged to perform by that law a wedding ceremony that was repugnant to their beliefs. That would be both unfair and grotesque.

you were nearly there but remain confused. Marriage in this context means two different things to two different sets of people. So we have the civil institution we call marriage which does a number of different things: It legally revokes prior wills, it institutes the spouse as the legal next of kin, it provides for differing treatments for various Gubblemunt services and such. Then there is the "voluntary" aspect of religious marriage which if you subscribe to whatever particular flavour of religion is ascribed sanctifies the "holy" union and all that malarkey. Two separate and distinct things.

There was never a suggestion anywhere that (for example) a Roman Catholic priest would be required to perform a same-sex marriage by law.

Of course, my view is that we should outlaw all churches, remove their special status in law and elsewhere, and nationalise their buildings and property holdings as the fountainheads of hatred which they are... but thats another argument entirely.

[yokel]

You realise that makes lone female parents superhuman?

That or they produce kids that are fucked in the head (generally speaking of course)

Its the male/fathers role to ensure kids grow up to be functioning adults, if not done correctly (like with me) or not at all you're more likely get a fucked up individual.

What they say about sparing the rod in the bible is quite true.

Gay marriage is a stupid idea

[mashman]

That or they produce kids that are fucked in the head (generally speaking of course)

Its the male/fathers role to ensure kids grow up to be functioning adults, if not done correctly (like with me) or not at all you're more likely get a fucked up individual.

What they say about sparing the rod in the bible is quite true.

Gay marriage is a stupid idea

The parent produces next to nothing. Tis the "current environment/situation" that dictates behaviour. Nice peeps become cunts and cunts become nice peeps.

There are no roles. Just kids testing boundaries and different parents having different boundaries when it comes to being given the rod. Your fuck up is and always will be your own.

nah. I'll go for, we've lost the village that raised the child.

All marriage is a stupid idea. Yes I am married... but I married under protest

[TheDemonLord]

Remember the old saying "wait till your father gets home"
Mothers do the nurturing and fathers do the raising like discipline.

Women are hopeless at raising kids

You do know that the reason for the above is more to do with society gender roles than anything else.....

As for the spirit of your comment, I somewhat agree - I have always believed that a child needs both Male and Female input when being raised - I can only speak for my experience but I have a different relationship with my Dad than I do to my Mum - not to say that one is better than the other or one loved me more than the other - just different.

So for those that will ask (and so I can state plainly) I am all for Gay couples raising kids - provided they have someone to provide a Male/Female input in the child's life, Some people think this a tad old fashioned and others have asked to see my supporting evidence - I agree it is a tad old fashioned and all I have in supporting evidence is anecdotal, apocryphal and my own upbringing.

It is also not to say that Solo parents are not capable of raising well-adjusted children, as many of them do, but I will ask could they have done a better job with a role model for the child of the opposite sex?

[mstriumph]

you were nearly there but remain confused. Marriage in this context means two different things to two different sets of people. So we have the civil institution we call marriage which does a number of different things: It legally revokes prior wills, it institutes the spouse as the legal next of kin, it provides for differing treatments for various Gubblemunt services and such. Then there is the "voluntary" aspect of religious marriage which if you subscribe to whatever particular flavour of religion is ascribed sanctifies the "holy" union and all that malarkey. Two separate and distinct things.

First time i've been confused this year ... precursor of many, probably
Suggest that, re 'marriage' many view it as a traditional whole, rather than the duality of parts you refer to
Suggest that, were the term 'marriage' reserved for religious unions and 'civil union' used for the rest, there'd be less opposition to the concept of universal access to the latter, what do you think?

There was never a suggestion anywhere that (for example) a Roman Catholic priest would be required to perform a same-sex marriage by law.

Yes, now ... but, in the fullness of time (when all things come to fruition ) it's within the realms of possibility that (starting with more liberal institutions) public expectation will force currently unpalatable choices on clergy if they wish to retain their adherents... what do you think?

Of course, my view is that we should outlaw all churches, remove their special status in law and elsewhere, and nationalise their buildings and property holdings as the fountainheads of hatred which they are... but thats another argument entirely.

One with which I'm in total agreement. Happy New Year

[yokel]

The parent produces next to nothing. Tis the "current environment/situation" that dictates behaviour. Nice peeps become cunts and cunts become nice peeps.

There are no roles. Just kids testing boundaries and different parents having different boundaries when it comes to being given the rod. Your fuck up is and always will be your own.

nah. I'll go for, we've lost the village that raised the child.

All marriage is a stupid idea. Yes I am married... but I married under protest

"the parent produces next to nothing" really? do you not think that the parents are a big part of what makes up a kids environment?
the most important education a kid gets is from the parents and not dumb shit like the state run schools and the like.

Nice peeps are cunts and just as capable of producing dysfunctional adults as anyone else.

Marriage is not a stupid idea unless you do so against your will, you poor emasculated bastard haha

You do know that the reason for the above is more to do with society gender roles than anything else.....

As for the spirit of your comment, I somewhat agree - I have always believed that a child needs both Male and Female input when being raised - I can only speak for my experience but I have a different relationship with my Dad than I do to my Mum - not to say that one is better than the other or one loved me more than the other - just different.

So for those that will ask (and so I can state plainly) I am all for Gay couples raising kids - provided they have someone to provide a Male/Female input in the child's life, Some people think this a tad old fashioned and others have asked to see my supporting evidence - I agree it is a tad old fashioned and all I have in supporting evidence is anecdotal, apocryphal and my own upbringing.

It is also not to say that Solo parents are not capable of raising well-adjusted children, as many of them do, but I will ask could they have done a better job with a role model for the child of the opposite sex?

its gender roles that fit natural male a female behaviour, and has little to do with society
eg men can speak with authority, women cant, they just make insane screaming sounds.

where do you think bullshit syndromes like ADHD came from? there's a number of solo mums I know of that think there's something wrong with their kids but all it is, is that they have no real father figure.

[Oakie]

What the he'll is a hopeless generalisation?

One so far of kilter that it is hopeless trying to extract any merit from it.

Anyway women naturally hopeless, men are conditioned or given bad examples to be hopeless

Look up 'misogynist'.

I'm picking you had a rough time as a kid which has skewed your view of the genders somewhat?

[TheDemonLord]

its gender roles that fit natural male a female behaviour, and has little to do with society
eg men can speak with authority, women cant, they just make insane screaming sounds.

where do you think bullshit syndromes like ADHD came from? there's a number of solo mums I know of that think there's something wrong with their kids but all it is, is that they have no real father figure.

Some Gender roles I grant you do fit naturally with Male and Female behaviour (more female nurses, more male thrillseekers) - however overtime Society will take said gender roles and define them and then reinforce them.

As for your anecdote about speaking with authority - I call BS, I know many women that can speak eloquently with authority and I know many men that can't speak with authority to save their lives.

with ADHD - I would more likely believe the theory that ADHD was diagnosed as a condition when a company had a product that could treat it. Finally your comment about solo mothers thinking there is something wrong with their kids -I will stretch to say that possibly as a solo mum, the lack of a strong male influence does negatively impact on both the Child AND the Parent - ie the kid doesn't benefit from a male input, but neither does the mother.

[bluninja]

you were nearly there but remain confused. Marriage in this context means two different things to two different sets of people. So we have the civil institution we call marriage which does a number of different things: It legally revokes prior wills, it institutes the spouse as the legal next of kin, it provides for differing treatments for various Gubblemunt services and such. Then there is the "voluntary" aspect of religious marriage which if you subscribe to whatever particular flavour of religion is ascribed sanctifies the "holy" union and all that malarkey. Two separate and distinct things.

There was never a suggestion anywhere that (for example) a Roman Catholic priest would be required to perform a same-sex marriage by law.

ta for the legalese. As for not forcing religious peeps to breach their beliefs due to changes in the law, then you only need to look at the Catholic homes that closed as they would not accept adoption of children by gay couples as the laws required.

First time i've been confused this year ... precursor of many, probably
Suggest that, re 'marriage' many view it as a traditional whole, rather than the duality of parts you refer to
Suggest that, were the term 'marriage' reserved for religious unions and 'civil union' used for the rest, there'd be less opposition to the concept of universal access to the latter, what do you think?

That last part would work for me. Being a fair minded person I wonder why the civil marriage law wasn't totally revised to prevent discrimination against all manner of modern relationships (the basis for allowing same sex marriage). If a person wants to be married to more than one person at a time they go to jail....no matter that they can engage in a loving, supportive long term relationship with more than one person or gender. I do think they should draw the line at allowing people to marry their Harley though.