Paris policeman shot in head as he pleads for life

**ellipsis** · 9th January 2015, 09:07

...has anybody entertained the notion that the vid may be real and the headshot was bang on but being a cop there was not really a lot of matter between the bone plates to really turn on the Sam Peckinpah effects?...

**yokel** · 9th January 2015, 09:12

Well now we can all get entertained with the main stream media's man(witch) hunt going door to door looking for witches

**bogan** · 9th January 2015, 10:14

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I think in this case, there is reason enough to warrant debate and analysis.

Perhaps focus more on why your notion of what death should look like does not match with the video; instead of why the video must be wrong. It is hollywood fault you expect things to splatter, blood to pool out, recoil/smoke etc; interestingly, there is a phenomenon where people who are shot are far more likely to fall down like they do in the movies if they have seen a lot of those movies, than those who haven't.

Originally Posted by Katman

That whole Occam's razor theory is absolute bullshit.

Take for example a hypothetical situation wherein an actual false flag operation is carried out but done so in a professional enough manner that it is extremely difficult to expose the deception.

Do you still simply fall back on accepting what you perceive to be the most likely scenario or do you start investigating any little anomaly that might be noticed in the official story?

People fall back on the Occam's razor claim simply as a means to discourage others from asking questions. (Or as a means to justify their own lazy, unenquiring mind).

No it still works; because the flag who was falsified will do that investigation

Occam's razor will also teach those who have no knowledge in an area, to defer their judgement until those who do weigh in. Speaking of which, have you found any peer reviewed studies on reasons for 911 freefall yet?

**Katman** · 9th January 2015, 10:17

Originally Posted by bogan

Speaking of which, have you found any peer reviewed studies on reasons for 911 freefall yet?

Yeah, I have - thanks for asking.

You could too if you weren't so fucking lazy.

**bogan** · 9th January 2015, 10:21

Originally Posted by Katman

Yeah, I have - thanks for asking.

You could too if you weren't so fucking lazy.

Lazy, nah m8, just efficiency with a dash of razors. See if you've found it efficiency demands you share your findings, while occam's razor says you would supply it unless it was shit. And I do not see it supplied...

**Big Dog** · 9th January 2015, 10:34

Originally Posted by scumdog

I guess if you are stupid enough to poke a hornets nest you WOULD be surprised when they start stining you to death

ME? I'd pour a bucket of petrol on the fuckers and nuke them!

I don't claim to be a munitions expert but:
Save the bucket of petrol to go for a ride later. It won't make all that much difference in the result of detonating a nuke to clean up a hornets best.
Alternatively save yourself a million or so, pour 50-100 ml of petrol in the top of the nest (put the rest in your tank first for a good getaway) wait till you see the first drops out the bottom and apply a naked flame.
Make your way to a safe distance. It won't burn long, there will be a lot of smoke, and there may be some flash over. Trample any survivors sleeping on the ground under their burned out home.
Go spend the remainder of the bucket of fuel on going for a pleasant ride.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**RDJ** · 9th January 2015, 10:41

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

someone with more knowledge of Ballistics and bullet mechanics will probably need to comment - my understanding was that if the bullet doesn't fragment and travels through the body at a high velocity then the entrance and exist wounds can be very clean (small holes) which could account for the lack of the hollywood style headshot blood everywhere

but as I said - I am not an authority on this (don't have my firearms licence yet)

Over the years have treated quite a few gunshot (including headshot) victims. This happened, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

**unstuck** · 9th January 2015, 10:47

Originally Posted by Big Dog

I don't claim to be a munitions expert but:
Save the bucket of petrol to go for a ride later. It won't make all that much difference in the result of detonating a nuke to clean up a hornets best.
Alternatively save yourself a million or so, pour 50-100 ml of petrol in the top of the nest (put the rest in your tank first for a good getaway) wait till you see the first drops out the bottom and apply a naked flame.
Make your way to a safe distance. It won't burn long, there will be a lot of smoke, and there may be some flash over. Trample any survivors sleeping on the ground under their burned out home.
Go spend the remainder of the bucket of fuel on going for a pleasant ride.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

DDT inside a fire extinguisher works even betterer.

**TheDemonLord** · 9th January 2015, 11:41

Originally Posted by bogan

Perhaps focus more on why your notion of what death should look like does not match with the video; instead of why the video must be wrong. It is hollywood fault you expect things to splatter, blood to pool out, recoil/smoke etc; interestingly, there is a phenomenon where people who are shot are far more likely to fall down like they do in the movies if they have seen a lot of those movies, than those who haven't.

It is entirely possible - certainly no splatter and no body jerk I could accept - but no blood pool is suspicious (note I am not saying it is conclusive proof of a conspiracy) - as an example - if you look at ancient depictions of decapitations - almost all of them show arterial spray - so no blood at all is curious

RDJ - could you elaborate (I am genuinely interested in your take)

**bogan** · 9th January 2015, 11:45

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

It is entirely possible - certainly no splatter and no body jerk I could accept - but no blood pool is suspicious (note I am not saying it is conclusive proof of a conspiracy) - as an example - if you look at ancient depictions of decapitations - almost all of them show arterial spray - so no blood at all is curious

RDJ - could you elaborate (I am genuinely interested in your take)

Blood brain barrier, arterial blood does not flow through the brain.

**Big Dog** · 9th January 2015, 12:10

Originally Posted by unstuck

DDT inside a fire extinguisher works even betterer.

Not everyone has DDT and a dead fire extinguisher. Or the means to charge it. Most of is can afford 50c worth of petrol and a match.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**RDJ** · 9th January 2015, 13:02

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

It is entirely possible - certainly no splatter and no body jerk I could accept - but no blood pool is suspicious (note I am not saying it is conclusive proof of a conspiracy) - as an example - if you look at ancient depictions of decapitations - almost all of them show arterial spray - so no blood at all is curious

RDJ - could you elaborate (I am genuinely interested in your take)

Low velocity rounds frequently stay inside the skull. High velocity rounds often go straight in, straight out, cavitation effect on brain internally but if round stays intact ('full metal jacket') it expends most of its energy on the background landscape.

Have seen some people who have lived through medium-to-short-range fast through-and-through rounds, but very very few survive close-range lower-velocity rounds especially when the bullet ricochets as above, or fragments (unless the bullet traverses the face / sinuses and not the cranium).

**willytheekid** · 9th January 2015, 13:31

Originally Posted by Big Dog

... Most of is can afford 50c worth of petrol and a match.

.

Speak for ya self!

(I am so friggin broke at the mo

)

...is tossing the thing over the noisey neighbours fence a valid option??

edit

This is the huge fucker Im hoping too get rid of

...I honestly think it would look great in sydney

(the noisey neighbour)
spose we can try your petrol trick first lol

**caseye** · 9th January 2015, 13:49

Love ya work, Willy, throw it high mate!

**mada** · 9th January 2015, 14:37

Originally Posted by RDJ

Low velocity rounds frequently stay inside the skull. High velocity rounds often go straight in, straight out, cavitation effect on brain internally but if round stays intact ('full metal jacket') it expends most of its energy on the background landscape.

Have seen some people who have lived through medium-to-short-range fast through-and-through rounds, but very very few survive close-range lower-velocity rounds especially when the bullet ricochets as above, or fragments (unless the bullet traverses the face / sinuses and not the cranium).

+1

Most patho sites regarding ballistics say the same things.

High velocity and closer impact = tendency for less yaw/tumble and more direct path of round.

Military grade ammo (full metal jacket) is more likely to stay intact and exit with an even smaller exit wound than entry if at close range.

It's very plausible that said terrorists were using smuggled ex-mil weapons & ex-mil ammo.

Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot.

The dust - at the time this is seen the rifle is pointed at victims head, so it is most likely the bullet having exited victims head ricocheting off concrete opposed to a "blank" being fired or "gas" from the gun.

Real life often isn't as "graphic" as Hollywood movies, doesn't mean its not real though.

Another one of the conspiracy theory claims is that on the internet there is very little information about said Police Officer - newsflash for tinhatters, often Cops and Law Enforcement don't wave all their personal details online so crazy batshit stalkers or criminals don't track them down, but more importantly their family.

links:

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.c...rearm-injuries

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false