Paris policeman shot in head as he pleads for life

[TheDemonLord]

So, assuming FMJ milspec ammo and that its an AK 47 and not and AK 74 (7.62mm vs 5.56mm) then it is entirely possible that it would be a through and through leaving a very small entry and exit hole - which may also explain the lack of blood - if the exit hole was small, it wouldn't be big enough to form a large blood pool.

It looks like I must withdrew my feet from the conspiracy theory side of the fence.

[yokel]

+1

Most patho sites regarding ballistics say the same things.

High velocity and closer impact = tendency for less yaw/tumble and more direct path of round.

Military grade ammo (full metal jacket) is more likely to stay intact and exit with an even smaller exit wound than entry if at close range.

It's very plausible that said terrorists were using smuggled ex-mil weapons & ex-mil ammo.

Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot.

The dust - at the time this is seen the rifle is pointed at victims head, so it is most likely the bullet having exited victims head ricocheting off concrete opposed to a "blank" being fired or "gas" from the gun.

Real life often isn't as "graphic" as Hollywood movies, doesn't mean its not real though.

Another one of the conspiracy theory claims is that on the internet there is very little information about said Police Officer - newsflash for tinhatters, often Cops and Law Enforcement don't wave all their personal details online so crazy batshit stalkers or criminals don't track them down, but more importantly their family.



links:

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.c...rearm-injuries

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false

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that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

[caseye]

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that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

[yokel]

just look at some of the many examples of retardation by the media.

"Earlier yesterday 18-year-old suspect Hamyd Mourad reportedly handed himself in to police after learning he was wanted but the Kouachi brothers have been on the run since the shootings"

after learning he was wanted??? really how so?

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/...est/ar-AA7VAxx


and then there this dumb cow http://youtu.be/jLarWC4tEZ0 "there maybe a interesting back story to that". like what? the cops are just pulling suspects out of their arses?

what the fuck is a "back story" anyway?

[yokel]

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

no, I dont actually see footage of someone getting killed.

how the victims family's feel has nothing to do with what happened, so why bring it up?

[TheDemonLord]

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

We saw a video of what looked like someone getting killed - and so viewed in a critical manner, if he is dead (and based on input from those with more ballistics knowlesdge, it appears he is) then my condolences to those affected by this - but just because we see something that appears to be traumatic does not mean we should disregard our critical faculties and accept it as gospel truth.

I had doubts initially and by civil discourse have found a rational reason for my doubts.

[yokel]

We saw a video of what looked like someone getting killed - and so viewed in a critical manner, if he is dead (and based on input from those with more ballistics knowlesdge, it appears he is) then my condolences to those affected by this - but just because we see something that appears to be traumatic does not mean we should disregard our critical faculties and accept it as gospel truth.

I had doubts initially and by civil discourse have found a rational reason for my doubts.

do you see any trauma??

[Big Dog]

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that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

Have not made up my mind as to weather I will watch the video. It serves no purpose to me and gives oxygen to the terrorist. Not a gore thing, a morality thing.

However in relation to your "funky chicken": that would require continued electrical Impulses.

Frappe a brain via cavitation or bisection of the lower cortex and there are no residual impulses. Nor the means to transmit them to the limbs.

I saw a doco once that took a bit of a myth buster approach to csi programmes on CI. The experts all seemed to agree that the average joe often does not recognise a murder. Even if it goes down right in front of them especially a small knife or a firearm.

We have been conditioned by special effects to expect splatter, gore and any number of things that are easy to produce cheaply but look good on film.

They spent a fair amount of time on head shots.
The "pink mist" or high velocity brain spatter would only be visible on specialised slo mo / high speed cameras.
You only see it if the bullet has slowed to where it is also visible.

Pooling only occurs if the wound is downhill from the bulk of the blood or the heart is still pumping.

I may not have been present when someone has been shot in the head, but I can tell you a sudden trauma to the base of the skull just looks like someone fainting. If it is hard enough and fast / sudden enough they don't even blink. Not even recognition or fear. Just the lights are out.

60-100 kegs is a lot for 9-30 grams to move. Any bucking at that range is more likely a pre-mortem reaction to the blast.
Myth busters covered this one separately with similar results.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

do you see any trauma??

A person getting executed I think would count as a traumatic video - regardless of whether one could see any actual 'trauma'. Unless of course, one was a psychopath with no concept of human empathy

[Big Dog]

Speak for ya self! (I am so friggin broke at the mo)

...is tossing the thing over the noisey neighbours fence a valid option??


edit

This is the huge fucker Im hoping too get rid of


...I honestly think it would look great in sydney (the noisey neighbour)
spose we can try your petrol trick first lol

Most arsonist who fail to completely destroy a target do so because they provide too much fuel for the environment. The fire consumes all the oxygen and puts itself out.

Mix petrol with a $$&&@'llkne to make it evaporate slower and add an 48,&4!:&@ to make it require less oxygen to sustain a burn and 50c worth or petrol will remove that hive. You just need to place it right and light it.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Most arsonist who fail to completely destroy a target do so because they provide too much fuel for the environment. The fire consumes all the oxygen and puts itself out.

Mix petrol with a $$&&@'llkne to make it evaporate slower and add an 48,&4!:&@ to make it require less oxygen to sustain a burn and 50c worth or petrol will remove that hive. You just need to place it right and light it.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I dunno - I think with all the Hot Air that comes out of that place, we don't need to worry about the fire putting itself out

[Katman]

Have not made up my mind as to weather I will watch the video. It serves no purpose to me and gives oxygen to the terrorist. Not a gore thing, a morality thing.

Well until you bring yourself to watch it you won't be able to notice the total, and I mean total, lack of involuntary bodily reaction to the impact of any bullet.

[unstuck]

Not a gore thing,

Not many shootings here these days, not since that big one in the main street.

[yokel]

Have not made up my mind as to weather I will watch the video. It serves no purpose to me and gives oxygen to the terrorist. Not a gore thing, a morality thing.

However in relation to your "funky chicken": that would require continued electrical Impulses.

Frappe a brain via cavitation or bisection of the lower cortex and there are no residual impulses. Nor the means to transmit them to the limbs.

I saw a doco once that took a bit of a myth buster approach to csi programmes on CI. The experts all seemed to agree that the average joe often does not recognise a murder. Even if it goes down right in front of them especially a small knife or a firearm.

We have been conditioned by special effects to expect splatter, gore and any number of things that are easy to produce cheaply but look good on film.

They spent a fair amount of time on head shots.
The "pink mist" or high velocity brain spatter would only be visible on specialised slo mo / high speed cameras.
You only see it if the bullet has slowed to where it is also visible.

Pooling only occurs if the wound is downhill from the bulk of the blood or the heart is still pumping.

I may not have been present when someone has been shot in the head, but I can tell you a sudden trauma to the base of the skull just looks like someone fainting. If it is hard enough and fast / sudden enough they don't even blink. Not even recognition or fear. Just the lights are out.

60-100 kegs is a lot for 9-30 grams to move. Any bucking at that range is more likely a pre-mortem reaction to the blast.
Myth busters covered this one separately with similar results.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

here is a slow mo vid after the women's finished blah blahing http://youtu.be/jLarWC4tEZ0 there is zero visible gore, by not watching it your staving your brain of much needed oxygen.

any "gore" you may feel is just imagined.

[Oakie]

- so no blood at all is curious

There was a shot of that piece of pavement on Sky News this morning. Plenty of blood stain in evidence.

Ironic that the poor cop was also a Muslim.