Rioting Muslims in Aussie

[Paul in NZ]

The problem is not Islam but radicals everywhere.

The fuckwits that produced the film are as mad / bad as the arseholes that are using it to burn buildings and destabilize governments.

Unfortunately the only way to get rid of these arses is to become a radical yourself... argh... This is why I hate thinking (and people)

[SpankMe]

[unstuck]

Mr Fry

Spot on.

Some people need to be offended.

[MisterD]

Some people need to be offended.

Handily, it seems to me that the more someone needs to be offended, the easier it is to do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The problem is not Islam but radicals everywhere.

The fuckwits that produced the film are as mad / bad as the arseholes that are using it to burn buildings and destabilize governments.

Unfortunately the only way to get rid of these arses is to become a radical yourself... argh... This is why I hate thinking (and people)

Dawkins in his book "THE GOD DELUSION" which I recommend to all makes a telling comparison between Islamic fundies, and christian fundies who are in te process of ruling Mrky. He calls it "The American Taliban" which I find hilarious.

You have of course misstated the problem. It is not really "radicals everywhere". It isnt even "Fundamentalism". It is religion and the sway that it holds.

So in my view, the kindly Anglican vicar up the road and the bomb strapped ten year old in the souk in Kandahar are the same. Both spewing the same control methodology and hatred of "others" as they define them, they subjugate women, and they want to take your stuff away (Density church anyone?), and both feeling in themselves they have the "right" to inflict their lopsided view of the world on you because of their "faith". Well, actually, no. The problem starts with the elevation of faith above reason: whatever else follows is a symptom of more or less severity.

I'll finish this rant with a quote from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

HTH

[MisterD]

I'll finish this rant with a quote from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

That and something along the lines of "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" which I think was Mr Voltaire (not the KB'er)

[oldrider]

I'll finish this rant with a quote from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

HTH

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence?

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem!

[unstuck]

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence?

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem!

Bloody well said, You nailed it perfectly.

[Mushu]

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence?

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem!

Please define 'perceived evidence' if you are talking about something you think you saw or heard then maybe you should be looking up the definition of evidence. Human perception is well known to be fallible, ask one of the cops that frequent these forums about witness testamony, or there is the well known mirage phenomenon.

Religion in all its forms is one of the most evil forces on the planet and agnostics, atheists and antitheists should be far more vocal.

[mashman]

Bloody well said, You nailed it perfectly.

Wot ee said.

[mashman]

Please define 'perceived evidence' if you are talking about something you think you saw or heard then maybe you should be looking up the definition of evidence. Human perception is well known to be fallible, ask one of the cops that frequent these forums about witness testamony, or there is the well known mirage phenomenon.

Religion in all its forms is one of the most evil forces on the planet and agnostics, atheists and antitheists should be far more vocal.

and a char or two

[oldrider]

Please define 'perceived evidence' if you are talking about something you think you saw or heard then maybe you should be looking up the definition of evidence. Human perception is well known to be fallible, ask one of the cops that frequent these forums about witness testamony, or there is the well known mirage phenomenon.

Religion in all its forms is one of the most evil forces on the planet and agnostics, atheists and antitheists should be far more vocal.

Fair enough that's your perception and if you keep it to yourself - it wont become a problem!

[Mushu]

Fair enough that's your perception and if you keep it to yourself - it wont become a problem!

Not perception, evidence exists showing that relying on perception is not a good idea. Thus I rely on evidence so that I can make predictions that are testable and useful in the real world.

And I'm not keeping my ideas to myself, it's the crazier party (or those that go to the greatest lengths to assert their opinions/ beliefs) that usually prevail in a confrontation. Mostly atheists try to not offend the religious and because of this they don't often get their point heard. I am willing to offend absolutely anyone, just because you are offended by a statement doesn't make it false.

[unstuck]

and because of this they don't often get their point heard.

Needing to get your point heard is so last century.
If you feel you have something to prove, then you are setting yourself up to be offended.

[pete376403]

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence?

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem!

But being a god botherer means you must be trying to impose your belief on someone else - ie no longer just your business, you are trying to make it their business as well