Road rage fail: Aggressive NZ driver who hates cyclists

[TheDemonLord]

Is it though? Do the police prosecute or give fines to pedlies riding 2 abreast for not keeping as far left as possible?

Passing legislation still includes 100m vis in front if oncoming lane is used, and that it is done with due consideration for other users of the road. This means that on a narrow laned road, the cyclist owns that lane; whether you like it or not, this is still the case.

Well the police response does seem to indicate that there is position is such. But as for the lack of Fines - I think last time they tried to fine a cyclist, there was a hubbub because bikes don't have a registration (which makes the enforcement of a ticket difficult)

Also as a secondary - since cycling is encouraged at a Govt level (as a clean way to commute) I suspect that the police are letting it slide to encourage people.

As for Passing lane - I agree, but in the real world, when say overtaking a tractor, have you always done so with 100m visibility? I know that there have been occasions where I have not (ie being waved passed by the driver of said ag vehicle)

Final point - consideration of other road users is precisely why a cyclist has no legal right to own the lane - I still would like to see something in Legislation that gives them this right (other than differing opinions of the application of the word 'practicable')

[bluninja]

Not home to, but where he came from. He's a member of the Chipping Norton Set with Rebecca Brook and David Cameron among others.

Where he escaped from would be more accurate still I'm not from Doncaster, but I was forced to exist there till I left school and escaped.

[Berg]

I attended a crash involving multiple cyclists and a car at Xmas (fortunately nobody seriously hurt) where the cyclists were to blame. What interested me was the way they normally scream blue murder when a car is involved unless, like in this case, one of their own caused the crash and then do they shut up like a book.
Seems, they were being dicks and riding in their "close quarters" bunch (over a narrow bridge on a busy road no less) when one tried to dodge something small on the road taking out a few of the others and flicking one of the bikes under the front of a car.
Trying to interview them about who did the dodging, who was following to close etc was met with complete ignorance (but they did insist the car coming the other way that hit the bike should have been able to stop) and none of them would man up about riding too close.
As for Lycra, it does dick to stop road rash! Plenty of skin off and blood flowing. When it was suggested to them that (a) they should wear better protective clothing, (b) they should be obeying all road rules including single file and maintaining a safe following distance and (c) they should have to cover their own medical expenses as they haven't paid sufficient ACC levies as motorcycle riders have to they got quite pissy.
Hopefully the road rash for Xmas has taught them to ride safer but unfortunately I doubt it.

[Swoop]

Plenty of skin off and blood flowing. When it was suggested to them that (a) they should wear better protective clothing, (b) they should be obeying all road rules including single file and maintaining a safe following distance and (c) they should have to cover their own medical expenses as they haven't paid sufficient ACC levies as motorcycle riders have to they got quite pissy.

[mossy1200]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6JT...gduzzflrhlk00k

Think im getting murdered in comments.
My lack of keyboard warrior skills is evident.
Need help.

[bogan]

Well the police response does seem to indicate that there is position is such. But as for the lack of Fines - I think last time they tried to fine a cyclist, there was a hubbub because bikes don't have a registration (which makes the enforcement of a ticket difficult)

Also as a secondary - since cycling is encouraged at a Govt level (as a clean way to commute) I suspect that the police are letting it slide to encourage people.

As for Passing lane - I agree, but in the real world, when say overtaking a tractor, have you always done so with 100m visibility? I know that there have been occasions where I have not (ie being waved passed by the driver of said ag vehicle)

Final point - consideration of other road users is precisely why a cyclist has no legal right to own the lane - I still would like to see something in Legislation that gives them this right (other than differing opinions of the application of the word 'practicable')

What police response? You mean the lack of prosecution of the driver? this is not the same as prosecution of the cyclist. That is just wrong, they fine them for no helmets easy enough.

Also wrong, they are 'letting it slide' because it is not against the law. (see riding abreast)

I do in the van. But again, you have to search far for an example that suits your needs, thus proving my point.

You still don't understand, if a motorist has to use another lane to pass, then the cyclist does own the lane; on many NZ roads the only way to avoid this would be to stay home.

Another point, do you ride your motorcycle in the lines you say cyclists should ride? Because the legislation you posted does not differentiate between cycles and motorcycles "A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides." I'll bet you don't because it is not safe, but you seem to think cyclists don't have the same leeway in terms of their safety.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6JT...gduzzflrhlk00k

Think im getting murdered in comments.
My lack of keyboard warrior skills is evident.
Need help.

Really?

That guy was pretty easy to School to the point where all he could come back with was petty insults:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTCs_h-mjc

Just refer to my comments and enjoy!

[Virago]

Really?

That guy was pretty easy to School to the point where all he could come back with was petty insults:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTCs_h-mjc

Just refer to my comments and enjoy!

To be fair, that compilation clip showed a few instances where he was keeping hard left, there was plenty of room for overtakers to give a wide safety berth, but they still failed to do so.

Other than that, the guy is a cock.

[mossy1200]

To be fair, that compilation clip showed a few instances where he was keeping hard left, there was plenty of room for overtakers to give a wide safety berth, but they still failed to do so.

Other than that, the guy is a cock.

Agree there is some very poor driving in there but his approach wont do anything for cyclists and he has been looking for issues to report rather than enjoyment from riding. I just cant see this guy ever having a friend to ride with or a work mate who wasn't sick of his whining.

[Ocean1]

Another point, do you ride your motorcycle in the lines you say cyclists should ride? Because the legislation you posted does not differentiate between cycles and motorcycles "A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides." I'll bet you don't because it is not safe, but you seem to think cyclists don't have the same leeway in terms of their safety.

Disclaimer: I obey every road rule up to but not including the point where I believe I have reason not to.

Now. The difference between a motorbike riding in the middle of his lane and a bicyclist riding in the middle of his lane is.... The motorbike is doing the same speed or better than the general traffic flow. The pushbike, in riding in the middle of the lane is simply holding up traffic. In the instance of the video in question he's doing so for no reason other than provoking exactly the response he wanted, there's certainly no safety rationale behind it.

Nice as the idea is that we should all get along and pushbikes have as much right to be there as the rest of us it's simply nonsense, roads are for motorised traffic, if you want to ride a pushbike on 'em then pull your head in and stay out of the fucking way.

[bogan]

Disclaimer: I obey every road rule up to but not including the point where I believe I have reason not to.

Now. The difference between a motorbike riding in the middle of his lane and a bicyclist riding in the middle of his lane is.... The motorbike is doing the same speed or better than the general traffic flow. The pushbike, in riding in the middle of the lane is simply holding up traffic. In the instance of the video in question he's doing so for no reason other than provoking exactly the response he wanted, there's certainly no safety rationale behind it.

Nice as the idea is that we should all get along and pushbikes have as much right to be there as the rest of us it's simply nonsense, roads are for motorised traffic, if you want to ride a pushbike on 'em then pull your head in and stay out of the fucking way.

And when the road is so narrow that the pushbike just being there forces a passing car to use the other lane, what is the practical difference between the cycle being on the hard left, and being 1m in?

[Ocean1]

And when the road is so narrow that the pushbike just being there forces a passing car to use the other lane, what is the practical difference between the cycle being on the hard left, and being 1m in?

None. In which case one waits patiently for the opportunity to pass.

But that's not what was happening in most of those instances, was it? He was deliberately denying cars the opportunity to pass, and he got what such behaviour richly deserves.

Until a few months ago I lived on a single lane country road, a favourite for local recreational cyclists. Most of them were cautious and sensible, but the number of fuckwits that genuinely figured they had the right to obstruct traffic, usually by riding 2-3 abreast was amazing. Uppity cunts, too, several times I had words, and I once found it necessary to chuck a bike into the adjoining paddock with the local bull.

[bogan]

None. In which case one waits patiently for the opportunity to pass.

But that's not what was happening in most of those instances, was it? He was deliberately denying cars the opportunity to pass, and he got what such behaviour richly deserves.

Until a few months ago I lived on a single lane country road, a favourite for local recreational cyclists. Most of them were cautious and sensible, but the number of fuckwits that genuinely figured they had the right to obstruct traffic, usually by riding 2-3 abreast was amazing. Uppity cunts, too, several times I had words, and I once found it necessary to chuck a bike into the adjoining paddock with the local bull.

Exactly, and being 1m in serves to ensure the car behind knows they must cross the center line to make the pass safely.

I'm not defending the guy's actions that mossy posted (he does seem like a bit of cunt), just pointing out that owning the road is an applicable safety measure where cyclists are concerned in some circumstances.

[Bikemad]

below is lycracops response to my comment on one of his Vids.............
has some strange thoughts on NZ labour relations too it would seem


ME>>>>so you don't like our drivers,don't like our cops,don't like our history.........what would you risk your life to see?.......why don't you stop ya whinning and go back to poverty rock and peddle those roads?































NZ Cyclist TVL

1 hour ago


You mean like the 25% of New Zealand's working population that have had enough and left New Zealand?
Why do you think I have recorded no new videos in New Zealand?
If you are the last one their please remember to turn out the light as you leave :-)

[mossy1200]

Exactly, and being 1m in serves to ensure the car behind knows they must cross the center line to make the pass safely.

I'm not defending the guy's actions that mossy posted (he does seem like a bit of cunt), just pointing out that owning the road is an applicable safety measure where cyclists are concerned in some circumstances.

Yeah don't get me wrong im all for safety and sharing and higher standards.
If the guy had several positive clips and reported the one incident I linked that would be ok.
My issue is hes out on a mission to aggravate people and be abusive.
Someone chases me down bashes on my window, swears, threatens to call police and post clips on you tube would get warned that im feeling threatened by his actions. Failure to move on and ill be getting angry very quickly.
Im a nice guy so idd say his risk of injury increases as the quality of the person he abuses decreases or the level of fear they might have increases.

If I had a serious safety concern that I thought needed immediate police attention You tube wouldn't be my method of delivering it.