Ngapuhi: Ban burkas at Waitangi Day celebrations

[mashman]

so... Im heading to waitangi. With my bhurka, my backpack full of miscelannious (stout. Fuck) electrical wiring, a suitcase full of jewgold and my confederated tribes flag/cape.
Whoup?

That would be an extremely fun thing to do.

[jellywrestler]

Choice. Does that mean we can ban scribble faces from kfc?

a bit insensitive calling them scribble faces in this enlightened time when we now know they're actually bar coeds for WINZ payments.

[jellywrestler]

" But that's how I was going to sneek in to Waitangi this year"

"Bhut that's how I was Going to Thneek into Whaitangi This Year", better morgan lingo methinks

[Swoop]

David is a very smart chap and great to talk with. He is quite (looking for the right word here...) "positive" about Māoridom and his Iwi. "Staunch" seems inappropriate.

I see the comments section of that article has been wiped. There was one comment from a Māori chap who observed "could we show up at Mecca in our traditional dress"?
He has a point.

[rustyrobot]

All just another example of why multiculturalism is a myth and impossibility. It sounds very nice, in fact it sounds ideal, but it is not possible because many fundamental cultural practices are mutually exclusive.

We are a country with people from many cultures, but we are not multicultural. Our attempts at biculturalism have exposed how far-fetched this notion is, and yet 'we' continue with the facade that multiculturalism is a possibility.

I would suppose that the answer is probably in breaking down the size of nation-state to smaller groups with their own agreed cultural practices which then co-operate together as a region to achieve shared aims, or not if so desired.

As long as 'we' keep pretending that we are multicultural, and promising this to people of other cultures, they will continue to feel aggrieved when they find this isn't the case.

New Zealand culture is unique (as is the culture of every nation), it is for better or worse based squarely on the British cultural model, with some minor (mostly superficial) attempts to incorporate elements of Māori culture. I see no will amongst the people of New Zealand to change this, and I think that however distasteful it may be to some, that should be made clear.

[Akzle]

I see the comments section of that article has been wiped. There was one comment from a Māori chap who observed "could we show up at Mecca in our traditional dress"?
He has a point.

slight difference between a place held sacrosanct since the dawn of one's religion,
and a place where crackers legally raped a country out of the indigenous.

New Zealand culture is unique (as is the culture of every nation), it is for better or worse based squarely on the British cultural model, with some minor (mostly superficial) attempts to incorporate elements of Māori culture. I see no will amongst the people of New Zealand to change this,

i expect your circle of acquantainces is fairly narrow. i also expect you wouldn't look too hard for those that do want change.
i also, also expect that a small minority of those who want change actually make a public fuss about it, much less are given credence or airtime by the white populace.

[Swoop]

slight difference between a place held sacrosanct since the dawn of one's religion,
and a place where crackers legally raped a country out of the indigenous.

A marae?

Also, you don't recognise "legally" anyway.

[rustyrobot]

i expect your circle of acquantainces is fairly narrow. i also expect you wouldn't look too hard for those that do want change.
i also, also expect that a small minority of those who want change actually make a public fuss about it, much less are given credence or airtime by the white populace.

Well, you're wrong about my 'circle of acquaintances' in a LOLZworthy way.

I do admit though, I should probably have said:
I see no will amongst the majority of New Zealand to change this, and I think that however distasteful it may be to some, that should be made clear.

I'm talking about cultural change too, not legislative.

[HenryDorsetCase]

All just another example of why multiculturalism is a myth and impossibility. It sounds very nice, in fact it sounds ideal, but it is not possible because many fundamental cultural practices are mutually exclusive.

We are a country with people from many cultures, but we are not multicultural. Our attempts at biculturalism have exposed how far-fetched this notion is, and yet 'we' continue with the facade that multiculturalism is a possibility.

I would suppose that the answer is probably in breaking down the size of nation-state to smaller groups with their own agreed cultural practices which then co-operate together as a region to achieve shared aims, or not if so desired.

As long as 'we' keep pretending that we are multicultural, and promising this to people of other cultures, they will continue to feel aggrieved when they find this isn't the case.

New Zealand culture is unique (as is the culture of every nation), it is for better or worse based squarely on the British cultural model, with some minor (mostly superficial) attempts to incorporate elements of Māori culture. I see no will amongst the people of New Zealand to change this, and I think that however distasteful it may be to some, that should be made clear.

Objectively, a culture which treats women better (say by allowing them to vote, or drive a car, or wear what they want), which provides care for the elderly, the infirm, the halt and the lame, which cares about things like the disadvantaged and the environment being passed on to children (won't someone think of the children?) is a better culture than one which, for example, oppresses women by FGM, or requiring public obedience, or any of that bullshit. However flawed new zealand culture is, it is a better culture than that, and allowing or encouraging those practices is contrary to the values which this society is founded on and which people have died to uphold. For no other reason than that, there is no reason whatever to encourage or allow this outward manifestation of medieval oppression in this country. End of.

[Akzle]

A marae?

half a fair point.
although i was thinking more to the commercialisation of the signing of te tiriti.

wonder what tame is up to this year...

Also, you don't recognise "legally" anyway.

no, but thta has never stopped thugs with guns fucking my day up. (gratefully, i get to later fuck their days up)

[Akzle]

I'm talking about cultural change too, not legislative.

hahaha. like legislation has ever changed anything.
and in this good democratic society, you don't actually need to be a majority, just whine fucking loudly.

i think all "society" needs to change, in a big way and for the betterment of fucken everything. the current path leads nowhere.

Objectively, a culture which treats women better (say by allowing them to vote, or drive a car, or wear what they want), which provides care for the elderly, the infirm, the halt and the lame, which cares about things like the disadvantaged and the environment being passed on to children (won't someone think of the children?) is a better culture than one which, for example, oppresses women by FGM, or requiring public obedience, or any of that bullshit. However flawed new zealand culture is, it is a better culture than that, and allowing or encouraging those practices is contrary to the values which this society is founded on and which people have died to uphold. For no other reason than that, there is no reason whatever to encourage or allow this outward manifestation of medieval oppression in this country. End of.

dumbest fucking mistake, ever, allowing them to vote. while i don't condone harming any humans in any way, (shall i mention that MGM and pederast shit that jews do, or is that socially unacceptable to bring up?) the western way has elevated women far beyond equality and, resultantly, fucked up society (who likes OSH? political correctness? gays? undisciplined or psychologically fucked up children?- thank women for that bullshit)

a balance is what's needed, yin yang, but it aint quick in coming, nor will be at the rate ANY "culture" is heading.

[rustyrobot]

...there is no reason whatever to encourage or allow this outward manifestation of medieval oppression in this country. End of.

Don't disagree at all there.

Ironically I see a lot of the draconian, violent punishments of Sharia Law reflected in the comments of some of the more conservative members of this site.

Point being, if we aren't prepared to change certain aspects of our culture, we should be upfront about it.

[rustyrobot]

the western way has elevated women far beyond equality and, resultantly, fucked up society (who likes OSH? political correctness? gays? undisciplined or psychologically fucked up children?- thank women for that bullshit)

Need to work on your mummy issues.

[mashman]

All just another example of why multiculturalism is a myth and impossibility. It sounds very nice, in fact it sounds ideal, but it is not possible because many fundamental cultural practices are mutually exclusive.

We are a country with people from many cultures, but we are not multicultural. Our attempts at biculturalism have exposed how far-fetched this notion is, and yet 'we' continue with the facade that multiculturalism is a possibility.

I would suppose that the answer is probably in breaking down the size of nation-state to smaller groups with their own agreed cultural practices which then co-operate together as a region to achieve shared aims, or not if so desired.

As long as 'we' keep pretending that we are multicultural, and promising this to people of other cultures, they will continue to feel aggrieved when they find this isn't the case.

New Zealand culture is unique (as is the culture of every nation), it is for better or worse based squarely on the British cultural model, with some minor (mostly superficial) attempts to incorporate elements of M�ori culture. I see no will amongst the people of New Zealand to change this, and I think that however distasteful it may be to some, that should be made clear.

I'd say it does work, on account of the fact that people live multi-culturally every single day (and have been for an exceptionally long time). It only ever seems to crop up in a negative light where one group wishes to assert its wishes over another group.

It seems that these days, under the guise of terrorism/religious intolerance, cultural protectionism is spurred by a tiny number of people committing terrorist acts once every month or so... which in turn fires up the pollies of "nations" and "forces" them to react to a perceived cultural threat by oppressing culture and people that have nothing to do with terrorism.

Tis a shame the reaction is negative.

[HenryDorsetCase]

hahaha. like legislation has ever changed anything.
and in this good democratic society, you don't actually need to be a majority, just whine fucking loudly.

i think all "society" needs to change, in a big way and for the betterment of fucken everything. the current path leads nowhere.



dumbest fucking mistake, ever, allowing them to vote. while i don't condone harming any humans in any way, (shall i mention that MGM and pederast shit that jews do, or is that socially unacceptable to bring up?) the western way has elevated women far beyond equality and, resultantly, fucked up society (who likes OSH? political correctness? gays? undisciplined or psychologically fucked up children?- thank women for that bullshit)

a balance is what's needed, yin yang, but it aint quick in coming, nor will be at the rate ANY "culture" is heading.

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