Why housing costs are so ridiculously high

**WNJ** · 12th February 2015, 17:22

Just in the process of getting a 5 bedroom house on 7 acres land,( 2 acres native with stream ) 15 mins from hams and Cambridge, for a little over 420k, this our second purchase just outside hams in 5 years, fuck living in Auckland again

**sidecar bob** · 12th February 2015, 17:31

Originally Posted by swarfie

FFS, I earn wages, I pay taxes. Why can't everyone else pay taxes the same way I do. If that was the case the whole bloody country would be doing okay, not just the ones that are NOT paying their share of the taxes.

Its a matter of managing the tax so you don't end up with an arse raping from a big angry black man.
I'd be chuffed to be paying just the tax on the wage I draw. Unfortunately that is a tiny portion of the entire tax I pay.
I think most people do pay taxes the way you do & many pay tens of thousands a year more in addition to that.
Basically, tax is a fine for being successful, the more successful you are, the more you pay, if you can look a little less successful on paper, the black man is a little less angry (however the arse raping is still imminent)
To give you some idea, the tax I paid between the time I came back from my Christmas holiday & the end of January this year was equivalent to roughly 23 times my weekly take home pay, & that is one of several instalments per year.

**Laava** · 12th February 2015, 18:15

Cost of building a new house is very achievable at $1300 a sqm for a fully finished, house with double glazing and airconditioning etc. this is for a rural property with water tank and biolytix system.

**yokel** · 12th February 2015, 19:29

Originally Posted by Laava

Cost of building a new house is very achievable at $1300 a sqm for a fully finished, house with double glazing and airconditioning etc. this is for a rural property with water tank and biolytix system.

well wait for all the new health & safety nonsense to come in to the building trade.
I've just built two new truck decks for brand new trucks for scaffolders

**TheDemonLord** · 12th February 2015, 19:30

Originally Posted by swarfie

FFS, I earn wages, I pay taxes. Why can't everyone else pay taxes the same way I do. If that was the case the whole bloody country would be doing okay, not just the ones that are NOT paying their share of the taxes.

If there is a way to legally pay less Tax, then I am all for it. If you disagree with this, then by all means, close the loopholes that allow people to do this.

**Ocean1** · 12th February 2015, 20:44

Originally Posted by swarfie

FFS, I earn wages, I pay taxes. Why can't everyone else pay taxes the same way I do. If that was the case the whole bloody country would be doing okay, not just the ones that are NOT paying their share of the taxes.

Who is it that you think don't pay their share of the taxes?

Originally Posted by Oscar

Half of all NZ families pay no income tax.

Pretty much... http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content...-tax-small.png

**jasonu** · 13th February 2015, 04:52

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Its a matter of managing the tax so you don't end up with an arse raping from a big angry black man.
I'd be chuffed to be paying just the tax on the wage I draw. Unfortunately that is a tiny portion of the entire tax I pay.
I think most people do pay taxes the way you do & many pay tens of thousands a year more in addition to that.
Basically, tax is a fine for being successful, the more successful you are, the more you pay, if you can look a little less successful on paper, the black man is a little less angry.
To give you some idea, the tax I paid between the time I came back from my Christmas holiday & the end of January this year was equivalent to roughly 23 times my weekly take home pay, & that is one of several instalments per year.

I'm happy to pay my fair share of tax 'cause that is what keeps the country running. However, I ALWAYS ensure my fair share is legally as small as possible.

**mashman** · 13th February 2015, 08:09

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Who is it that you think don't pay their share of the taxes?

Those who don't appreciate what's being done with their taxes?

**mashman** · 13th February 2015, 08:12

So the public individually limit their tax liability in protest to how it's being spent (economic terrorism

).

This leads to the govt receiving less funding to provide the "common" services that the individuals that make up the public rely on. A moderately amusing approach... and the response even more so. "Privatise" the service... quite possibly to an overseas "investor". Also add to that, companies also structure theirselves in such ways so as to limit their tax liability. Result: less govt (not a bad thing in itself), but plenty of SME's that are reliant on govt projects in the areas that are "privatised". And that's considered sound fiscal policy? The ripple effects of such a solution are evident i.e. the costs associated with housing.

Kinda ironic on many levels.

**Swoop** · 13th February 2015, 14:39

Originally Posted by yokel

well wait for all the new health & safety nonsense to come in to the building trade.
I've just built two new truck decks for brand new trucks for scaffolders

Scaffolding and orange cones.
Two of the busiest expanding businesses.

I know a few roofers who have been in the trade for over 30 years and they are packing up business. The reason? Bullshit osh and paperwork. Having to spend 30mins EACH day at EVERY site, to "indoctrinate" staff on the exact same site and hazards (that were there yesterday, and the day before...).

Scaffolding companies actively drive around looking for ANY work being done without copious amounts of scaffolding, then dob them in to WorksafeNZ.

Surprise bonus points here: If you are a house owner and decide to do some work on your Schloss, YOU can now be prosecuted for not having the shit used by the tradies!

**jasonu** · 13th February 2015, 16:20

Originally Posted by Swoop

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Surprise bonus points here: If you are a house owner and decide to do some work on your Schloss, YOU can now be prosecuted for not having the shit used by the tradies!

Really??????
If OSH tried telling me to get off my roof they would get a short sharp 'get fucked and get the fuck off my property' Luckily, where I live I can do pretty much whatever I want, however I want and on whatever day I want as a home owner.

**Ocean1** · 13th February 2015, 16:43

Originally Posted by mashman

Those who don't appreciate what's being done with their taxes?

What the fuck's that got to do with what they're paying or otherwise.

Actually, don't bother, just read the chart, the correct answer is anyone earning less than $50k to start with.

**mashman** · 13th February 2015, 17:10

Originally Posted by Ocean1

What the fuck's that got to do with what they're paying or otherwise.

Actually, don't bother, just read the chart, the correct answer is anyone earning less than $50k to start with.

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa.

No, they pay their fair share of taxes.

**sidecar bob** · 13th February 2015, 17:25

Originally Posted by Ocean1

What the fuck's that got to do with what they're paying or otherwise.

Actually, don't bother, just read the chart, the correct answer is anyone earning less than $50k to start with.

Here's a reversal of events, I usually (read always) disagree with Mash & agree with you, however, here's an example.
Any money taken by the govt to be re distributed as they see fit, by any name, is a tax. That makes the acc portion of bike a rego tax also.
I know of a young chap that fucked himself up royally on a bike recently to the point of near death, with years of rehabilitation ahead of him & probably the prospect of being a sickness beneficiary for the rest of his life.
His bike had no rego (& therefore no acc levy paid) because apparently " he doesn't believe in that sort of thing"
He seems to believe in all the free healthcare & benefit he is receiving that I'm helping to fund however.
So yeah, there's an example of someone that doesn't appreciate how their taxes (if they actually paid any) are being spent"