Stupid World

**unstuck** · 17th February 2015, 20:10

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**bogan** · 17th February 2015, 20:12

Originally Posted by unstuck

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ad-for-public/

Good publicity, shitty idea.

**unstuck** · 17th February 2015, 20:18

Originally Posted by bogan

Good publicity, shitty idea.

Whys that. I reckon it has merit in certain areas.

**bogan** · 17th February 2015, 20:22

Originally Posted by unstuck

Whys that. I reckon it has merit in certain areas.

Solar panels cost a hell of a lot more than concrete, and you need at least 30% more panels in concrete than you would on rooftops for the same amount of energy. Plus all your extra bits for grip and modularity etc. Creating green energy generation system which uses far more energy to create the components than is necessary just seems like a shitty plan.

**unstuck** · 17th February 2015, 20:27

Originally Posted by bogan

Solar panels cost a hell of a lot more than concrete, and you need at least 30% more panels in concrete than you would on rooftops for the same amount of energy. Plus all your extra bits for grip and modularity etc. Creating green energy generation system which uses far more energy to create the components than is necessary just seems like a shitty plan.

I thought the cost of those solar panels had dropped drastically. I guess time will tell weather or not they are a success. Those dutch dont like to spend money if they are not going to save some somewhere down the line.

**bogan** · 17th February 2015, 20:33

Originally Posted by unstuck

I thought the cost of those solar panels had dropped drastically. I guess time will tell weather or not they are a success. Those dutch dont like to spend money if they are not going to save some somewhere down the line.

Still more expensive than crushed up rocks though...

It could stil be a success, raising awareness, publicity benefits etc. But if you are just going for most efficient way to utilise solar, stick em on a roof aimed at the sun, and don't put muddy footprints all over em

**Brian d marge** · 17th February 2015, 20:40

Originally Posted by bogan

Actually they are the rules, hence the ruling...

Dumping is a special case of competition using tactics unavailable to its competitors, the idea behind anti-dumping rules are to level that part of the playing field.

yes i know . . but not what we were told from those dumbarses in wellington

i think even nz complained about china dumping stuff

back to these solar panels

i havent heard anything aboutchina dumping the panels in us
what i found strange was 1. a sudden flurry of anti solar panel media
then 2. how the us utility companies couldnt cope with the peak production
and . .i think ,they also complained about loss of revenue

then pow

tarrifs were in place

seemed like tail wagging dog . ie big business pressuring government

didnt hear anything about dumping . admittedly i didnt look too deeply into the matter
.so
links if you have them
ill go back and revisit the sordid affair

**unstuck** · 17th February 2015, 20:41

Originally Posted by bogan

Still more expensive than crushed up rocks though...

It could stil be a success, raising awareness, publicity benefits etc. But if you are just going for most efficient way to utilise solar, stick em on a roof aimed at the sun, and don't put muddy footprints all over em

I think it may lead to better products that will go onto roofs eventually, but I think for all the expense we will learn some valuable things from this.
I hope so anyway, otherwise it is going to be a 70mtr 4 million dollar cock up. But that would teach us something too.

**bogan** · 17th February 2015, 20:45

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

i havent heard anything aboutchina dumping the panels in us
what i found strange was 1. a sudden flurry of anti silar panel media
then 2. how the us utility companies could cope with the peak production
and . .i think ,they also complained about loss of revenue

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, have you read the data behind the ruling?

**blue rider** · 17th February 2015, 22:12

so much fun will be had

http://globalchallenges.org/wp-conte...l-report-1.pdf

**Brian d marge** · 18th February 2015, 01:04

Originally Posted by bogan

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, have you read the data behind the ruling?

No just the usual round up of bbc , cnn etc new york times .... it was one of those ... why all of a sudden solar panels are bad ....oh I see... oh that doesnt surprise me ......

At the moment Im having a look at the Koran , to find out why these strange sand people are chopping heads off .......BBC said so .....ATM , they seem to be very nice people....

I will revisit the solar panel , if ya have any links fire em up .....

Stephen

**Madness** · 18th February 2015, 01:09

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

they seem to be very nice people...

Keep reading.

**oldrider** · 18th February 2015, 01:32

Originally Posted by Madness

Keep reading.

People in the main - just don't want to know - they become the sheeple - well sheepers weepers!

never saw it coming

- officer!

(same sorta thing!)

**Brian d marge** · 18th February 2015, 02:18

Originally Posted by bogan

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, have you read the data behind the ruling?

No just the usual round up of BBC , CNN etc new York times .... it was one of those ... why all of a sudden solar panels are bad ....oh I see... oh that doesn't surprise me ......

At the moment Im having a look at the Koran , to find out why these strange sand people are chopping heads off .......BBC said so .....ATM , they seem to be very nice people....

I will revisit the solar panel , if ya have any links fire em up .....

Stephen
ps
oh dear.........
it get worse hahahahaa....... something don't smell right ! ( the blue is from other sources a quick google ...snip.)

So the American trade board voted to put tariffs on energy products entering the US ...again why am I not surprised ..... The EU did the same .....hmmmmm

The US International Trade Commission (USITC) has officially voted to uphold the findings that Chinese and Taiwanese PV manufacturers have been dumping their products. The tariffs against PV imports will follow the Depart of Commerce’s (DOC) decision which was released on Dec. 2014: anti-dumping and countervailing duties (AD/CVD) will be imposed on Chinese PV imports and anti-dumping tariffs will be imposed on Taiwanese PV imports. This decision finally closed the latest and most publicized AD/CVD case involving China, America, and Taiwan.

Read more at http://press.trendforce.com/press/20150123-1816.html#Do3qooClBOuEW08v.99

Ok so far until up find out who is doing what and where ........
Then he added what is beginning to sound like a solar version of a shell game. Varadi argues that SolarWorld “is a German company which raised money in 1999 in Germany and is listed on the German stock exchange. SolarWorld has some holdings in the USA.” To which SolarWorld America points out that they descend from an American company that was founded in 1975. It has gone through several changes of ownership, the most recent being when Solar World (German) acquired it in 2006.
However Varadi points out that “eleven Chinese companies raised over 2.1 billion dollars of capital on US stock exchanges during the years 1997 to 2010. The miraculous ascent of the Chinese PV industry started when this money was raised for them by the most prestigious US underwritersMorgan Stanley, Credit Swiss First Boston, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Lazard, Piper Jeffrey, and CIBC World Market. Ownership in these Chinese companies mostly by US investors ranged from 5 to 90%.”
At which point one starts to wonder how to determine which company is Chinese? Which is German? And which is American

now with all this zero interest money floating about

we have .....

SolarCity.
The company — the nation’s largest provider of rooftop solar systems, with more than 80,000 customers — has not made a dime. And, frankly, no one quite seems to know when, or if, it will.
But SolarCity has captured investors’ imaginations and become a potent symbol of a stock market ascent that makes the vertigo-inducing heights of Twitter seem tame. SolarCity’s share price, which closed at $59.27 on Friday, has soared more than sevenfold since it went public, and the company, which did not exist eight years ago, is valued at roughly $4.9 billion.
Depending on whom you talk to, the rise of SolarCity and similar companies is either a sure sign that solar power is finally having its day or that yet another mania has gripped the markets. Two other companies, SunPower and SunEdison, have also exploded in value. In all, an estimated $13 billion was invested in solar projects in 2013, a tenfold increase since 2007, according to GTM Research, which tracks the industry.

Someones making some coin

So wall street , invested heavily in solar , the Chinese made too many panels which they dumped at below cost on the American market to which solar city made a bucket of money installing these low cost units * low cost to buy * ... Wall street did very well thank you very much

the utility companies cried foul http://www.cnbc.com/id/101319945 ( look at the chart of who had the instalations ,,,,,ohhh eeerrr ) and the govenment closed the door 2014 AFTER THE BOYS MADE A HEAP OF COIN .........

Uncle shylock

Mean while the solar industry was actually saying it was a good thing as it provided a lot of work etc ...
WASHINGTON – Rhone Resch, president and CEO of the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA), released the following statement today in response to new U.S. trade petitions filed by SolarWorld USA against crystalline silicon solar products from China and Taiwan:
“We oppose today’s escalation of the U.S.-China solar trade conflict. More litigation is the wrong approach.
Dodgy evil fkrs the lot of em ….....
stephen