Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

**mashman** · 21st February 2015, 23:15

Originally Posted by bogan

It's not an assumption as it has worked for me.

But you answer is only valid if your reasons are, so refusing to back yourself up is now on the list.

Spoken like a true conservative.

The answer came before your addendum, it stands in its own right and needs no further examination. Trust me, I know why I wrote what I wrote.

**bogan** · 21st February 2015, 23:21

Originally Posted by mashman

Spoken like a true conservative.

The answer came before your addendum, it stands in its own right and needs no further examination. Trust me, I know why I wrote what I wrote.

Spoken like one who knows the self irrespective of such labels.

But if the govt does not enslave us, thinking that they do can only be considered a negative viewpoint. Hence the second part of my interpretation and question. Thus it is not projection as you claimed, but simply the realities of the situation.
That answer stands in its own right, and can only be shown to be wrong if you could show the govt enslaves us. Which you refuse to do.

**mashman** · 21st February 2015, 23:30

Originally Posted by bogan

Spoken like one who knows the self irrespective of such labels.

But if the govt does not enslave us, thinking that they do can only be considered a negative viewpoint. Hence the second part of my interpretation and question. Thus it is not projection as you claimed, but simply the realities of the situation.
That answer stands in its own right, and can only be shown to be wrong if you could show the govt enslaves us. Which you refuse to do.

lol. Rough around the edges but with stars in my eyes.

It's a piece of knowledge.
There are plenty of threads containing plenty of information on the subject. I see no reason to put up any more information when the subject has already been amply covered.

**Brian d marge** · 21st February 2015, 23:30

hurry up we need another two before he replies and i get too pissed

**bogan** · 21st February 2015, 23:34

Originally Posted by mashman

lol. Rough around the edges but with stars in my eyes.

It's a piece of knowledge.
There are plenty of threads containing plenty of information on the subject. I see no reason to put up any more information when the subject has already been amply covered.

So you do claim it has been shown the govt enslaves us?

**bogan** · 21st February 2015, 23:36

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

hurry up we need another two before he replies and i get too pissed

That was two more legit issues for you to provide. In addition to those other points you were working on.

**Brian d marge** · 21st February 2015, 23:47

Originally Posted by bogan

That would be good.

Yes, I have.

Yes, so much more.

These are not govt enslavement, these are just your mind enslaving you to useless concepts. Tax, SSN and money only have the value which you assign them. Education, that is a legit issue, but I'll wait for two more before addressing them all.

Turkey's are not sapient, so I'd expect quite the opposite.

theres me thinking someone else had to do it
my bad
taxes
money
education

my big one

sorry frieudian slip

my big issue , . . interest

as in interest on loans

one more . . . . conscription and or military rule in times of disaster or percieved disaster

an electorial system designed not to give freedom of expression to the people whom need it the most

ok . . . . go

btw some musilim cities limited profit and taxes of business other cultures had debt free money . . ,

just added that to sway your cognitive bias

**bogan** · 22nd February 2015, 08:12

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

theres me thinking someone else had to do it
my bad
taxes
money
education

my big one

sorry frieudian slip

my big issue , . . interest

as in interest on loans

one more . . . . conscription and or military rule in times of disaster or percieved disaster

an electorial system designed not to give freedom of expression to the people whom need it the most

ok . . . . go

btw some musilim cities limited profit and taxes of business other cultures had debt free money . . ,

just added that to sway your cognitive bias

I've already said taxes and money are not points of slavery. Money is simply a system of barter, a concept, if you feel enslaved by this it is your own mind doing it; same with taxes. Interest is not valid either as nobody is forced to get a loan in the first place. Conscription? when was the last time anyone was conscripted? Electoral system, nope, not having things run the way you would like does not constitute slavery by the govt; but if you look at it too negatively then your mind does enslave you to it.

So it is still only mandatory Education on the list.

**Scuba_Steve** · 22nd February 2015, 08:16

Originally Posted by bogan

So what you are saying, is that any reasonable person would interpret the idea of us all being enslaved to the govt as a negative thing (viewpoint)?

And why do you think I do not like to think for myself or like to be free?

It would be bad (a negative thing) because being in a prison greatly limits our potential, and our happiness.

reckon so

Because of your blindness/willingness to "tow the company line without question" & your initial question of "why is it so bad to be enslaved"

So same as being enslaved by a govt... again same concept different level

**mashman** · 22nd February 2015, 08:19

Originally Posted by bogan

So you do claim it has been shown the govt enslaves us?

Yes, there is more than enough evidence there to support that conclusion.

**bogan** · 22nd February 2015, 08:23

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

reckon so

Because of your blindness/willingness to "tow the company line without question" & your initial question of "why is it so bad to be enslaved"

So same as being enslaved by a govt... again same concept different level

I agree.

I have ample justification for 'towing the company line' and back up my viewpoint far more often than those who oppose it (see below). The question was just that, a question, to ensure we are on the same page to start with as someone was saying it wasn't a negative thing.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by mashman

Yes, there is more than enough evidence there to support that conclusion.

Then where is it? Will you provide any to back yourself up, or continue the evasion?