Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

[bogan]

[God, much better to look at now... the black is back!]
Maybee so, still no reason to dismiss the YouTube version of it

So you're forced to register with the crown, you're forced to obey their rules regardless & it's a "do as I say not as I do" system... But to be honest I'm not 100% on how enslavement came into it? I'm really just playing devil; however on the original topic, everyones rights (both human & sovereign) are being raped & pillaged by the politicians, there is no doubt to that

Yeh tell me about it.

It is reason for me, my time is valuable and I'll not waste it with youtubes, I'm seriously considering if even associating with some members of this site is just wasted time...

Some blokes insisted there was ample evidence that the govt enslaves us. Rights are being traded, not pillaged. I've given up the right of might is right so cannot commit violence against those who show me dissent, so none can commit violence against me. It just isn't slavery. Calling it slavery is quite disrespectful to those who were or are in real slavery.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeh tell me about it.

It is reason for me, my time is valuable and I'll not waste it with youtubes, I'm seriously considering if even associating with some members of this site is just wasted time...

Some blokes insisted there was ample evidence that the govt enslaves us. Rights are being traded, not pillaged. I've given up the right of might is right so cannot commit violence against those who show me dissent, so none can commit violence against me. It just isn't slavery. Calling it slavery is quite disrespectful to those who were or are in real slavery.

unless the holder of those rights is doing the trading then they're being pillaged, else taking your bike & swapping for booze wouldn't be stealing it'd be trading...
I'd say it's fact they're "forced" into it that brings them to the slavery part. Yes it might not be dictionary definition but hell we still have people thinking the western world is "democratic"... The slavery call is a fuckload closer to literal than any democracy one

[bogan]

unless the holder of those rights is doing the trading then they're being pillaged, else taking your bike & swapping for booze wouldn't be stealing it'd be trading...
I'd say it's fact they're "forced" into it that brings them to the slavery part. Yes it might not be dictionary definition but hell we still have people thinking the western world is "democratic"... The slavery call is a fuckload closer to literal than any democracy one

Not that simple, who trades the rights to assault? the person doing the assaulting, or the one being assaulted?

It is a representative democracy, which is far from a democracy, but even further from slavery.

[Brian d marge]

To support which claim?

How is having an IRD number slavery though? It doesn't force you to do anything. Taxes are paid on goods purchased or sold within the bounds of our economy, what is stopping you going off the grid and living self sufficiently out in the bush?

ok ya did supply a dictionary quote . Its a start

Try going off grid ..and see how far ya get

the case of the Moari guy in wellington last year ( I think it was in wellington )


I would like to , and have my eye on some land and would like to build an earthship from old tyres ......buuuuuut the powers that be have decided that I will be unsafe ,,,and planning permission as of yet is .....not given ..

If I proceed to build , i.e I don't follow the rules , they will come and tear my house down at great expense ..

Try it and see how far ya get ....

Now that does sound like slavery to me ......

Stephen

[Laava]

I would like to , and have my eye on some land and would like to build an earthship from old tyres ......buuuuuut the powers that be have decided that I will be unsafe ,,,and planning permission as of yet is .....not given ..

If I proceed to build , i.e I don't follow the rules , they will come and tear my house down at great expense ..

Try it and see how far ya get ....

Now that does sound like slavery to me ......

Stephen

You are talking about Japan? That would not happen in NZ

[bogan]

ok ya did supply a dictionary quote . Its a start

Try going off grid ..and see how far ya get

the case of the Moari guy in wellington last year ( I think it was in wellington )


I would like to , and have my eye on some land and would like to build an earthship from old tyres ......buuuuuut the powers that be have decided that I will be unsafe ,,,and planning permission as of yet is .....not given ..

If I proceed to build , i.e I don't follow the rules , they will come and tear my house down at great expense ..

Try it and see how far ya get ....

Now that does sound like slavery to me ......

Stephen

Pretty piss poor effort if he went off the grid in wellington

Now the right to self harm, that is an interesting topic. I think in the case of housing, you also risk any visitors so the choice to trade those rights is a society wide one. Now being forbidden from self harm (be it intentional or through stupidity) is slightly different, thought I would still not call this slavery, nanny state is a more appropriate term, perhaps even oppression; but not slavery.

[Brian d marge]

You are talking about Japan? That would not happen in NZ

I know been there and rejected

Im not sure about the Japanese building codes , having built a house here and all they are still greek to me

Stephen

[jonbuoy]

ok ya did supply a dictionary quote . Its a start

Try going off grid ..and see how far ya get

the case of the Moari guy in wellington last year ( I think it was in wellington )


I would like to , and have my eye on some land and would like to build an earthship from old tyres ......buuuuuut the powers that be have decided that I will be unsafe ,,,and planning permission as of yet is .....not given ..

If I proceed to build , i.e I don't follow the rules , they will come and tear my house down at great expense ..

Try it and see how far ya get ....

Now that does sound like slavery to me ......

Stephen

When you say "off grid" do you just mean electricity, water and council tax? Or do you mean you won't ever use the Police, Fire/Rescue, Ambulance/healthcare, education systems?

[Brian d marge]

me personally
the whole 9 nine yards
i know there are other like minded people including people who are quite good at health and education

but if ya stand between the man and his ounce of flesh ( taxes) he done going to get mean and nasty

[bogan]

me personally
the whole 9 nine yards
i know there are other like minded people including people who are quite good at health and education

but if ya stand between the man and his ounce of flesh ( taxes) he done going to get mean and nasty

What taxes do you pay when 100% off the grid? and what benefits do you earn for same?

[Brian d marge]

What taxes do you pay when 100% off the grid? and what benefits do you earn for same?

ya cant go completely off grid as in nothing to pay
there will be rates atthe very least
and i dont know but even if you could buy some land with no access road they would still ping ya for something

as for the benefits

ill just say that some of the happiest people on this planet are were hunter gatherers

just add some modern knowledge to that mix

myfamily were off grid for a while when i was younger

it was ok . . .could have been better if my old man actually knew what the fk he was doing

i kid you not . .he had the multi meter set on ohms to measure battery voltage . . ,

our friend . . old ladydead now had the herb farm in akaroa she wasnt 100 percent off grid but she was doing alright well into her eighties

[bogan]

ya cant go completely off grid as in nothing to pay
there will be rates atthe very least
and i dont know but even if you could buy some land with no access road they would still ping ya for something

as for the benefits

ill just say that some of the happiest people on this planet are were hunter gatherers

just add some modern knowledge to that mix

myfamily were off grid for a while when i was younger

it was ok . . .could have been better if my old man actually knew what the fk he was doing

i kid you not . .he had the multi meter set on ohms to measure battery voltage . . ,

our friend . . old ladydead now had the herb farm in akaroa she wasnt 100 percent off grid but she was doing alright well into her eighties

I meant unemployment benefits, they'll pay your rates, and then some.

And would you honestly give up all the modern tech, the society, and go off the grid if you could?

[Brian d marge]

i wouldnt apply for unemployment

and yes in a heartbeat

ive cycled around three countrys now japan ive done to death
im very comfortable up the watoozie with or without a paddle

the missus on the otherhand

[jonbuoy]

me personally
the whole 9 nine yards
i know there are other like minded people including people who are quite good at health and education

but if ya stand between the man and his ounce of flesh ( taxes) he done going to get mean and nasty

I wouldn't fancy pulling my own teeth or appendix out. Each to their own. Plenty of places in the world you can move to and live off the grid - third world countries that is. Funnily enough not many people make the move.......

[Brian d marge]

I wouldn't fancy pulling my own teeth or appendix out. Each to their own. Plenty of places in the world you can move to and live off the grid - third world countries that is. Funnily enough not many people make the move.......

ahhh there you would be wrong

quite a movement

and you are thinking in christian judaic individualistic style ...

it would be better in a community , of which there are , and growing all the time

theres one place in Arizona thats just mental !

Just because it isnt in your own paradigm doesnt mean it aint happening

Stephen