Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

[Brian d marge]

What has cycling got to do with it? After working in Africa and the Middle East I'll take western based "enslavement" any day of the week. How much time have you spent in Africa/Middle East?

about the same time you have lived on the moon

what a stupid reply

cycling, . .distance cycling is about as close to off grid self sufficiency as i can get under present circumstances

and as i said my old man was fully off grid for about 6 or 7 years so i do have half an idea about the whole subject

unfortuantly this society is all invasive , so unless one take himself up the amazon

you will in due course, use or have to deal with western influences

i also have responsibilty for 2 kids

i you are happy with your lot thats fine nowt to do with me

[jonbuoy]

about the same time you have lived on the moon

what a stupid reply

cycling, . .distance cycling is about as close to off grid self sufficiency as i can get under present circumstances

and as i said my old man was fully off grid for about 6 or 7 years so i do have half an idea about the whole subject

unfortuantly this society is all invasive , so unless one take himself up the amazon

you will in due course, use or have to deal with western influences

i also have responsibilty for 2 kids

i you are happy with your lot thats fine nowt to do with me

So not much experience outside of our nice and safe western society?

Living life on the road on a bike isn't being self sufficient- if you get knocked off a well equipped ambulance will turn up and patch you up again. The roads your able to ride on- all paid for by the evil governments. If you need parts a local shop will save you having to melt ore into bike parts. Unless your trapping or eating road kill you will be buying food - or going hungry. Other than turning calories into forward motion which bit is self sufficient??

[bogan]

stop being stupid

but your right . . . .no internet

Seems on the mark to me, off the grid would mean not using roads, nor internet. That is what you want isn't it? so why are you still here?

You yourself claimed to have not heard of the nano-thermite evidence.

How the fuck are you ever going to hear it if you refuse to listen to it.

Fuck me, you make Ed sound intelligent.

You seem to be confusing one persons opinion (the video), with the concept of evidence (things that can be directly observed from an article, video, or other source). If you think the latter is in the video, then summarise in what capacity that is; if you cannot make such a summary, it stands to reason the video contains nothing more than one bloke's opinion; ergo, not evidence.

[Ocean1]

wrong again as per usual

some of the best fed least stressed people I can think of

Show me...

[Brian d marge]

So not much experience outside of our nice and safe western society?

Living life on the road on a bike isn't being self sufficient- if you get knocked off a well equipped ambulance will turn up and patch you up again. The roads your able to ride on- all paid for by the evil governments. If you need parts a local shop will save you having to melt ore into bike parts. Unless your trapping or eating road kill you will be buying food - or going hungry. Other than turning calories into forward motion which bit is self sufficient??

ha?

you have no idea what you are talking about

absolutely

even here in japan there are places ive been that if u were in trouble its siyonara and that japan and as different from western culture as u can get

[Katman]

If you think the latter is in the video, then summarise in what capacity that is;

I'm not your nursemaid, you lazy fuck.

[Brian d marge]

Seems on the mark to me, off the grid would mean not using roads, nor internet. That is what you want isn't it? so why are you still here?

.

just sent a letter to jon key asking him to dig up all the roads prior to my trip

its the society i was born into and have to deal with
i dont like it and think it could be a million times better . . and i try and work towards that

in the mean time . . .

[bogan]

I'm not your nursemaid, you lazy fuck.

This tells me all I need to know, you will push an opinion, but when it comes to evidence you have nothing to give.

[Brian d marge]

Show me...

think of an amazon jungle dweller

then google it

ive got to go back to work

[bogan]

just sent a letter to jon key asking him to dig up all the roads prior to my trip

its the society i was born into and have to deal with
i dont like it and think it could be a million times better . . and i try and work towards that

in the mean time . . .

Have you been here before? plenty of land with no roads in sight. You don't have to change the country to go off the grid.

Begin the change with yourself then, don't bother sending letters as we are quite happy with our roads.

[Brian d marge]

Have you been here before? plenty of land with no roads in sight. You don't have to change the country to go off the grid.

Begin the change with yourself then, don't bother sending letters as we are quite happy with our roads.

three weeks bow hunting in south island
well one week fishing in kaitereteri and two weeks bow hunting

the off grid house was in akaroa and me folks now live in north canterbury

this is a schoolboy conversation

[bogan]

three weeks bow hunting in south island
well one week fishing in kaitereteri
the off grid house was in akaroa and me folks now live in north canterbury

this is a schoolboy conversation

Then why would you think you can't go off the grid completely here?

[Brian d marge]

Then why would you think you can't go off the grid completely here?

have a look at a map, and it will answer your own question

[Ocean1]

think of an amazon jungle dweller

then google it

ive got to go back to work

OK: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21789415

"Worldwide, indigenous peoples display a high burden of disease, expressed by profound health inequalities in comparison to non-indigenous populations. This study describes mortality patterns among the Guarani in Southern and Southeastern Brazil, with a focus on health inequalities. The Guarani population structure is indicative of high birth and death rates, low median age and low life expectancy at birth. The crude mortality rate (crude MR = 5.0/1,000) was similar to the Brazilian national rate, but the under-five MR (44.5/1,000) and the infant mortality rate (29.6/1,000) were twice the corresponding MR in the South and Southeast of Brazil. The proportion of post-neonatal infant deaths was 83.3%, 2.4 times higher than general population. The proportions of ill-defined (15.8%) and preventable causes (51.6%) were high. The principal causes of death were respiratory (40.6%) and infectious and parasitic diseases (18.8%), suggesting precarious living conditions and deficient health services."

So "off the grid" = utter shite conditions. Doesn't it?

In fact it was, and for indigenous communities still living "off the grid" still is a life sentence of fucking hard work and unrelenting pain and hunger. Isn't it?

Not, perhaps the most attractive alternative to a modern capitalist, democratic global trade civilisation, is it?

More something to be avoided at all costs. Ain't it?

[Brian d marge]

OK: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21789415

"Worldwide, indigenous peoples display a high burden of disease, expressed by profound health inequalities in comparison to non-indigenous populations. This study describes mortality patterns among the Guarani in Southern and Southeastern Brazil, with a focus on health inequalities. The Guarani population structure is indicative of high birth and death rates, low median age and low life expectancy at birth. The crude mortality rate (crude MR = 5.0/1,000) was similar to the Brazilian national rate, but the under-five MR (44.5/1,000) and the infant mortality rate (29.6/1,000) were twice the corresponding MR in the South and Southeast of Brazil. The proportion of post-neonatal infant deaths was 83.3%, 2.4 times higher than general population. The proportions of ill-defined (15.8%) and preventable causes (51.6%) were high. The principal causes of death were respiratory (40.6%) and infectious and parasitic diseases (18.8%), suggesting precarious living conditions and deficient health services."

So "off the grid" = utter shite conditions. Doesn't it?

In fact it was, and for indigenous communities still living "off the grid" still is a life sentence of fucking hard work and unrelenting pain and hunger. Isn't it?

Not, perhaps the most attractive alternative to a modern capitalist, democratic global trade civilisation, is it?

More something to be avoided at all costs. Ain't it?

looks horrible dont it

wonder what some of the western ones look like

some people over here are dropping dead through hard work and that aint good

when i get a chance ill look into this