Obviously not KBers

[buggerit]

I did think of that, mate, but the number of members lately harping on about how they should be able to ride as they please without any speed restrictions got my goat a bit.

Whenever anyone commented that the members who feel they are the best judge of their competence may not be right, they dismissed the suggestion.

In almost every case in recent times, it was loss of control at higher speeds behind the accident. Not just the younger, less experienced riders, but also the older ones, both experienced and returning riders. The lesson is that everyone is susceptible to loss of control and we should never overestimate our ability, no matter how long we have been riding.

80hp is plenty enough to get you into trouble and to exceed 200km/h as was the case with my old GSX600F, and the modern 150hp+ bikes are too much for many and catch them out by surprise for the same reason as the modern cars - you don't know how fast you're going. The speedo reading is just a number and drivers/riders are not aware of the physics of the speed they are doing when it comes to a corner or an avoidance maneuver.

Also, the thrill of riding fast all too often outweighs common sense.

I think most riders would prefer to ride the open roads to the conditions than some nice round number that someone in treasury has come up with.

[Edbear]

I think most riders would prefer to ride the open roads to the conditions than some nice round number that someone in treasury has come up with.

Has anyone actually contacted the relevant dept. to find out how and why the speed limit is set?

[buggerit]

Has anyone actually contacted the relevant dept. to find out how and why the speed limit is set?

Its stayed the same for the last 30+ years, so it cant have anything to do with road or car quality.

[swbarnett]

I would be hesitant to say that would be so in NZ. The standard of driving here is woeful at best!

I think one of the truest things I've heard recently is that everyone thinks the driving in their own country is worse than most others. Humans are the same the world over.

I told a local when I was in Adelaide recently that I thought their driving was far better than it is in Auckland. Their opinion was the exact opposite - that Auckland driving is exemplary compared to Adelaide.

Removing the speed limits (or at least raising them to more realistic levels) in any country would have a positive affect - even if that's only relative the to the current situation.

[TheDemonLord]

I remember about a year ago on here a guy posted about a rider who was riding "Fast and Safe" and I replied there was no such thing and boy did I get attacked for my view. There would be many on here who would think no different to the way these riders ride because they can "Scan" for anything bad before it happens.

Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

If my Memory is correct - you got attacked because there was no video evidence, only the OPs assessment that it was both Fast and Safe, and since only the OP had observed the riding, everything else was pure conjecture.

[TheDemonLord]

You need to put the 2 words together in a general sense and if you look at the police comments in the news item by poster 1 they confirm my opinion to be correct that there is no such thing.

Except they don't

Fast is entirely dependant on situation, environment and a myriad of other factors and dependant on some of those factors depends on whether fast is safe or not. Fast does not necessarily equate to unsafe. if the comment was too fast for the conditions and safe - I would agree. but its not.

[buggerit]

You need to put the 2 words together in a general sense and if you look at the police comments in the news item by poster 1 they confirm my opinion to be correct that there is no such thing.

Maybe when he said "fast and safe "it was in comparison to someone "feebly slow and unsafe" rather than unsafe speeds

[swbarnett]

You need to put the 2 words together in a general sense and if you look at the police comments in the news item by poster 1 they confirm my opinion to be correct that there is no such thing.

Tell that to NASA.

[swbarnett]

So were you not aware an Apollo rocket exploded on take off then?

Yes, I was aware. Are you aware of how slow a rocket is just after take-off?

Since you seem to have so much trouble with basic comprehension let me spell it out for you. I was referring to the fact that, for example, the space shuttle had to reach 28,000km/h just to stay in orbit. If there was no such thing as fast and safe every astronaut would be dead after their first mission.

[Voltaire]

I rode 2 up from Ho Chi Minh city to Hanoi last year 2 up on a Honda Fighthawk 150 ( yep 150 cc) and the speed limit there on the open road for motorcycle is 60kmph and 80 kmph for cars.
About 11000 people are killed on the roads there a year.
It gave new meaning to riding to the conditions.

[FJRider]

So you have got the belief from that post that riding fast can be safe just because a poster on here said so? You will come to grief one day if you take such posts as gospel.

Skilled and experienced riders CAN ride fast ... and be be safer than some sanctimonious female riders traveling at (or near) the posted speed limit ....

[FJRider]

Has anyone actually contacted the relevant dept. to find out how and why the speed limit is set?

If speed limits were set to the safe standard/formula as directed by LTSA ... there would be a REDUCTION in speed limits on some roads ...


Be careful what you wish for ...

[FJRider]

So were you not aware an Apollo rocket exploded on take off then?

As I recall ... the explosion was NOT related to SPEED. Nor was SPEED a factor or relevant in the explosion ...

[buggerit]

So you have got the belief from that post that riding fast can be safe just because a poster on here said so? You will come to grief one day if you take such posts as gospel.

Re read my post, 60kmh is fast compared to30kmh, and may be appropriate in a 80kmh zone depending on conditions.

[FJRider]

But if they lack scanning ability they could end up dead too as they would not know in advance if a car driver who thought they were as equally skilled came around the bend on their side of the road. It's all in your mind until shit happens eh!

Do NOT judge ALL riders by your own woeful lack of skill, ability ... AND experience ....

What you think is a constant source of amusement to us ... but the humour is wearing thin.