Global warming?

[ellipsis]

...if it's a cyclic thing, we are in the cycle, 'cos we are here...if it's a human induced thingy, then we're also in it...what'cha gonna do bout it...recycle?...store baked beans...sell batteries...dribble a lot?...

[caspernz]

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Jef...?entrynum=2923

It's more serious than many seem to think.

The suspicion I have is that there's money on offer to prove/combat global warming. So taking into account human nature, how many folks from the scientific community can resist the temptation to take up the offer?

Is global warming real? Probably. But we may have the cause and effect the wrong way around. Give it another 50 years and we'll know

[Ocean1]

The suspicion I have is that there's money on offer to prove/combat global warming. So taking into account human nature, how many folks from the scientific community can resist the temptation to take up the offer?

It's worse than that. There's no money for any other potentially related research. Which means the chances of research results indicating anything other than changing climate is fucking slim.

Is global warming real? Probably. But we may have the cause and effect the wrong way around. Give it another 50 years and we'll know

I agree. Only I see most of the global climate change industry as essentially misanthropic hysteria. The symptom of a rather ugly social illness.

I also see the obvious solution to any unwanted climate change is the sort of engineering only humans can achieve.

[george formby]

I also see the obvious solution to any unwanted climate change is the sort of engineering only humans can achieve.

Which will kick in when it can be made profitable.

Them holes in Siberia make cow farts look pretty inconsequential.

Interesting times.

[mashman]

I also see the obvious solution to any unwanted climate change is the sort of engineering only humans can achieve.

Stop producing half of the useless shit we currently produce and the stuff we do build, build to last?

[george formby]

Stop producing half of the useless shit we currently produce and the stuff we do build, build to last?

I wish. Longevity is expensive but very effective.

The future could give a whole new meaning to user pays.

[mashman]

I wish. Longevity is expensive but very effective.

The future could give a whole new meaning to user pays.

I wish too.

Only when left in the hands of children

[Edbear]

Nobody can do anything to stop or reverse it, of course. Once the Permafrost started melting it was inevitable. It is part of a cycle, but a very long term cycle. Man's contribution has been to speed up the process and intensify the effects - a lot!

As more data is collected, the effects of the Industrial Age over the last couple of hundred years are proving to be far greater than initially thought.

As you say, there's precious little we can do about it now, and can but adapt and be informed.

There is no conspiracy by TPTB, everyone is going to be affected and nothing Man can come up with will make a jot of difference now. Even stopping all emissions will do nothing more than slow it down a little bit.

Of more immediate concern is the death of the oceans, the rainforrests and the bees. These will cause us far more harm in the next 30 to 50 years. These are entirely the fault of Man's greed and irresponsibility. We are using up the Earth's resources 1.5x faster than the Earth can replenish them .

[Voltaire]

Stop producing half of the useless shit we currently produce and the stuff we do build, build to last?

Can we start with all that crap that come in the letter box, that must cost a bundle to make, distribute and then go into landfill or so called recycling.
....oh I suppose it provides jobs to keep the stats looking better....

[swbarnett]

Stop producing half of the useless shit we currently produce and the stuff we do build, build to last?

This will only slow things down a little bit. It is the out of control population growth that is the real problem.

Of more immediate concern is the death of the oceans, the rainforrests and the bees. These will cause us far more harm in the next 30 to 50 years. These are entirely the fault of Man's greed and irresponsibility. We are using up the Earth's resources 1.5x faster than the Earth can replenish them .

Agree 100%. Again the only real solution to this is to curb the out of control population growth. A mass human culling would be ideal. Either that or mass colonisation of other planets.

[unstuck]

. A mass human culling would be ideal.

But then we would have another thread about how bad war is and how wrong killing people is.

[mashman]

Can we start with all that crap that come in the letter box, that must cost a bundle to make, distribute and then go into landfill or so called recycling.
....oh I suppose it provides jobs to keep the stats looking better....

Absolutely fuckin instantly!
lol... cynical fuck.

[mashman]

This will only slow things down a little bit. It is the out of control population growth that is the real problem.

So not worth trying? That's certainly an interesting issue that needs to be dealt with. Alas, until you ask people to be careful, it will likely continue... that and, growth requires population growth. I'm sure Ocean could leap into action showing stats that equate population boom with economic growth. In which case, halving production will half population growth

[flyingcrocodile46]

Most of the scientists who are currently researching climate are using the same data, and coming up with different results. That alone is what tells us that the science is not settled.

They aren't scientists. They are dirty low life shills.

The recent announcement by the UN of the recording of the highest temperatures since records began (by approx .1 of a degree) were based on records presented by just such shills.

They didn't have any trouble interpreting the results on which to base their opinions. They simply took all of the historical data from the last 180 odd years and instead of falsifying the present day temperatures to show temperature increases (like they did during the last round of climategate), this time they changed the records of the previous 180 years to reduce most of the previous recorded periods of high temperature by up to 1 degree, so that the current temperatures appeared higher by comparison.

If you want to research it, it ain't hard. Many genuinely honest climate scientists have published copies of the original records side by side with the doctored records over the last few months. They are all over the interwobble if you care to open your eyes.

Of course this isn't a conspiracy (as there are no real conspiracies), it is just a massive coincidence

[Ocean1]

Which will kick in when it can be made profitable.

Them holes in Siberia make cow farts look pretty inconsequential.

Interesting times.

Of course. For "profitable" read "enough people want it".

And yes, natural global phenomena dwarf our contribution to changes to the atmosphere.

Stop producing half of the useless shit we currently produce and the stuff we do build, build to last?

What's that got to do with climate change? It's entirely possible to make shit, disposable or otherwise that affect climate not a jot.

Nobody can do anything to stop or reverse it, of course.

You're talking shit Ed, the only thing that might prevent someone from stopping or reversing it are the luddites that feed the currently fashionable chicken little industry. And that trash don't count as human, so I figure they'd be the first item that need to be stopped and/or reversed.