Global warming?

[swbarnett]

So not worth trying?

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get rid of half the junk that is "needed" in today's affluent society. I'm just saying that that will only delay the inevitable.

, growth requires population growth.

I've always wondered what's so good about economic growth? Surely if money is going around and we can all feed ourselves we don't need to grow the economy?

Of course, more people will require more money to maintain a standard of living so I suppose this is where economic growth is required. If this is true then if we have zero population growth shouldn't need economic growth.

[ellipsis]

Indeed. Which is why I suggested a planetary colonisation as an alternative.

...we could probably afford to colonise the closest planets first... the Chathams and then the Auckland Islands...after they have stopped the dastardly Caliphate from expanding...

[mashman]

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get rid of half the junk that is "needed" in today's affluent society. I'm just saying that that will only delay the inevitable.

I've always wondered what's so good about economic growth? Surely if money is going around and we can all feed ourselves we don't need to grow the economy?

Of course, more people will require more money to maintain a standard of living so I suppose this is where economic growth is required. If this is true then if we have zero population growth shouldn't need economic growth.

Lots of things are inevitable... stuff we have no control over will happen. Acts of nature springing to mind. But one thing is inevitable, that which we choose to do, will also happen. If nothing else it'll make the place look cool for a while.

lol, aye, you and me both. Turns out it's all about money, give or take, who knew. Tis a shame we're asked to think in terms of economic growth, instead of, what do we need, do we have the resources, go.

[unstuck]

...we could probably afford to colonise the closest planets first... the Chathams and then the Auckland Islands...after they have stopped the dastardly Caliphate from expanding...

I think Ceres is already inhabited by the look of the latest pics from NASA.

[caspernz]

There's no money for any other potentially related research. Which means the chances of research results indicating anything other than changing climate is fucking slim.

That's what I found disturbing when I looked around with an open mind. The focus on merely proving over and over that mankind is adding to the natural cycle of planetary warming/cooling, without even considering the possibility that our own contribution is negligible in the grand scheme of things...troubles me that many have jumped on the global warming bandwagon at the behest of the media.

[yokel]

That's what I found disturbing when I looked around with an open mind. The focus on merely proving over and over that mankind is adding to the natural cycle of planetary warming/cooling, without even considering the possibility that our own contribution is negligible in the grand scheme of things...troubles me that many have jumped on the global warming bandwagon at the behest of the media.

Very true, there's only one planet earth.
Who knows what the climate should be doing say 10 years from now?
Its all pseudoscience.

[Voltaire]

That's what I found disturbing when I looked around with an open mind. The focus on merely proving over and over that mankind is adding to the natural cycle of planetary warming/cooling, without even considering the possibility that our own contribution is negligible in the grand scheme of things...troubles me that many have jumped on the global warming bandwagon at the behest of the media.

that's right, how could 9 billion people cooking, driving, flying, farting, belching, growing alien animals like cows, buying manufactured stuff building on green sites possibly have any effect on the world ..... its just piffle.
I used to work in the refrigeration industry and one of the best gases was R12, they banned that as it was eating the Ozone and forming a layer trapping heat in. It was used in spray cans, making foam, air conditioning..... gee I miss it.

[caspernz]

that's right, how could 9 billion people cooking, driving, flying, farting, belching, growing alien animals like cows, buying manufactured stuff building on green sites possibly have any effect on the world ..... its just piffle.
I used to work in the refrigeration industry and one of the best gases was R12, they banned that as it was eating the Ozone and forming a layer trapping heat in. It was used in spray cans, making foam, air conditioning..... gee I miss it.

Hey I'm not suggesting we're not contributing to the problem...

But when you get a group of scientists showing you that temperature has historically gone up BEFORE the rise in so called greenhouse gases such as CO2 it has to make you think?! If CO2 causes temp rise then the historic record shows the reverse. But it seems that suggesting the commonly espoused logic is flawed...results in one being ostracised...I can't help but feel we're being railroaded into thinking what mass media is force feeding us.

[awa355]

Here is an Aussie view point on the global warming debate.

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/austral...a-great-thing/

[george formby]

Hey I'm not suggesting we're not contributing to the problem...

But when you get a group of scientists showing you that temperature has historically gone up BEFORE the rise in so called greenhouse gases such as CO2 it has to make you think?! If CO2 causes temp rise then the historic record shows the reverse. But it seems that suggesting the commonly espoused logic is flawed...results in one being ostracised...I can't help but feel we're being railroaded into thinking what mass media is force feeding us.

Yeah, the science is not perfect but we have masses of historical & geological data which tell us an awful lot about the variations of our planets climate and the consequences.

Climate change is a given regardless of the cause(s). Whether we drown, bake or freeze out of existence is moot.

The big brains & big money should be focused on how humanity can adapt & continue to thrive regardless of the weather. IMHO. Just sayin.

[Banditbandit]

The focus on merely proving over and over that mankind is adding to the natural cycle of planetary warming/cooling, without even considering the possibility that our own contribution is negligible in the grand scheme of things...

1 Humans are contributing to the cycle

2 Even if that is negligible we are polluting our planet

3 The consequences for human beings IF global warming occurs (from whatever cause) is disastrous

4 We should stop polluting the only planet we have AND

5 We should not take the risk of ignoring the probability that we are contributing to global warming - the consequences are too high ... we should mitigate it as much as possible or our children and grandchildren will suffer those consequences if the scientists are right.

It bothers me that the arguments over the science is getting in the way of stopping pollution AND doing whatever we can to mitigate global warming ...

[unstuck]

2 Even if that is negligible we are polluting our planet

Yep, clean green NZ.

[Voltaire]

Yep, clean green NZ.

Can we blame it on Tourists?

Was watching an interesting series on History of Oil on the BBC last night, almost everything has oil in it or needs oil to make it happen.

[unstuck]

Can we blame it on Tourists?

We could, but from what I have seen on my travels around our country, kiwis are just as bad as the rest of the world. Just take a walk down any highway in NZ and you will see enough to make you think. Well it does me anyway.

[swbarnett]

5 We should not take the risk of ignoring the probability that we are contributing to global warming - the consequences are too high ... we should mitigate it as much as possible or our children and grandchildren will suffer those consequences if the scientists are right.

The last thing we need is a knee-jerk reaction. The consequences of a shattered economy will be just as bad if not worse to the environment - people living from hand to mouth don't have the energy to care about long term environmental affects.

It bothers me that the arguments over the science is getting in the way of stopping pollution

And yet without general agreement on what the science says how are we to know where best to channel our efforts? The argument is not the problem, the problem is that there is money to be made by jumping on the band wagon.