Cancer and the drug companies

[Swoop]

Find ways to raise your vibration...

You have to buy a fucking harley?

Cancer sounds more appealing.

[sugilite:Me]

Science since ages ago.
The World is flat!
Wait, it is round and is the centre of the universe!
It all started with a big bang!
Nek minute.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/67503...eally-happened
Stay tuned for tomorrows reality - bought to you by science!

[TheDemonLord]

Science since ages ago.
The World is flat!
Wait, it is round and is the centre of the universe!
It all started with a big bang!
Nek minute.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/67503...eally-happened
Stay tuned for tomorrows reality - bought to you by science!

Science doing science and finding out that thanks to new data, our previous understanding of the world was either wrong or not 100% correct is still the best method that we have for explaining the natural world around us.

[sugilite:Me]

Science doing science and finding out that thanks to new data, our previous understanding of the world was either wrong or not 100% correct is still the best method that we have for explaining the natural world around us.

It's those that treat current science as absolute gospel that make me laugh.
Humankind - Overrating their intelligence since ages ago.

[R650R]

Do not misunderstand my response to R650R - in general I support alternatives to the over-drugged, over-surgical contemporary medical word - it's a black art when you look into it ...

I'm definitely in favour of alternatives. Our people had, and still have, plenty of alternatives ...

It's just that R650R does not have a good argument .. it's too full of holes .. and the only alternatives he offered for cancer treatment are die at home or die in hospital ..

I was just offering a sweeping generalisation. Don't get too detailed these days otherwise have to reply to some multi quoting fool taking it all out of context.

Back to topic, one fact is that Cancer is endemic and increasing exponentially. EVERYONE these days has been affected by someone close dealing with cancer. People observe what happens to those taking conventional treatments and those using alternative methods. Both have their merits in certain circumstances but you cant dismiss alternative therapies when so many people stand by them.

[sugilite:Me]

Back to topic, one fact is that Cancer is endemic and increasing exponentially. EVERYONE these days has been affected by someone close dealing with cancer. People observe what happens to those taking conventional treatments and those using alternative methods. Both have their merits in certain circumstances but you cant dismiss alternative therapies when so many people stand by them.

I reckon you are right about there being merits to both alternative and orthodox methodologies. I believe both could and should work hand in hand in some (but not all) cases. Thank goodness I have no direct experience with cancer. However the combination of my passion for motorcycling and a certain amount of over exuberance at times has allowed me the opportunity to gather a fair amount of experience with both orthodox medical practices and alternative methods.
In one such case I broke my femur in 4 places, one of them being an x-ray pimping spiral fracture. I intuitively declined painkillers after the operation and for the following 5 weeks I spent in traction at the hospital.
I was very positive, positive about wanting to get out of hospital and ride that is lol.
The guy in the bed next to me broke his femur in one place, was there before me, and still there after I left. He had the attitude, "I'm always gong to feel pain, I'll have a permanent limp yadda, yadda". I was out in record time and blasting around on an RM125 motocross bike complete with my leg still in a cast. I saw that guy a year later, and yes, he did indeed have a limp and the pain he had been expecting.
I believe that the combination of no pain killers (Painkillers for the most part mask the pain message getting back to the brain, thus the body does not take the self healing side of things as important as it may of otherwise) and a positive state of mind being key in my speedy recovery. Would I want a herbalist to set my leg? Hell no, give me that orthodox surgeon who did a awesome job any day! Did I want the orthodox pharmaceutical pain killers? For my case, No.
Alternative medicine to a point seems to have a positive effect on well - keeping the mind positive. Very important to my way of thinking. Room for both me thinks, as long as we are allowed to continue to make the personal choice.

[Katman]

Did I want the orthodox pharmaceutical pain killers? For my case, No.

I'm sure Ed will have them.

[ellipsis]

...I have a tested and alternate treatment for burns...1st, 2nd or 3rd degree...have proven it works on a few occasions...everybody laughs when I tell them, some even get edlike...mends any of the above degrees in 20 to 30% of the time...no doctors or nurses...I found it by accident...what do I win...

[Akzle]

rongoa wins, all over shit.

Science doing science and finding out that thanks to new data, our previous understanding of the world was either wrong or not 100% correct is still the best method that we have for explaining the natural world around us.

why do you feel the need to explain shit?
shit is happening.
it's been happening as long as i can remember.
if old people are to be believed, it's been happening as long as they can remember.
fair fucken bet it's going to continue happening.

science is god for white cracker jew cunts. it's just another fucken theory.

and how then, does it make you feel, when science can only arbitrarily name, but not describe, observe or measure 90% of what stuff is (or, isn't...)?

...I have a tested and alternate treatment for burns...1st, 2nd or 3rd degree...have proven it works on a few occasions...everybody laughs when I tell them, some even get edlike...mends any of the above degrees in 20 to 30% of the time...no doctors or nurses...I found it by accident...what do I win...

depends of if it's called aloe or not. otherwise someone's beat you to it.

[Banditbandit]

but you cant dismiss alternative therapies when so many people stand by them.

Yes I can. I never accept "50 million blowflies can't be wrong" type of arguments ...

And don't take that out of context either - I'm just saying that many people supporting an idea does not make it true ...

[TheDemonLord]

It's those that treat current science as absolute gospel that make me laugh.

Well, Hang on a sec there:

Someone does Science and Publishes a Paper in a Peer Reviewed Journal
Other Scientists (the aforementioned Peers) then attempt to tear the paper to shreds - looking for any flaw/fault in the experiment
If no flaw or fault can be found, then the other scientists attempt to re-create the experiment to confirm the results

If the results are confirmed science then says:

Based on this evidence, this theory is the current best-fit model to explain what we observed in our experiment.

Then at some point later, new Evidence might be observed that either completely contradicts or slightly alters the previous best-fit model
Science then attempts to do more research to come up with a new best-fit model, based on the evidence observed.

To give an example - you believe in Gravity right? but there is observed data (Quantum mechanics) that fly completely in the face of our current theory of Gravity. We know its not 100% right, but for all other interactions (except at the Quantum level) it works. Does it mean that Gravity doesn't exist?

Too often people say ' Oh Science changes its mind so often, so how can it be trusted?' but always when science changes - it is based on Evidence (the Observed results from an experiment)

And as an aside - Flat Earth and Earth being the centre of the universe were both views that came from Religon, not Science, in the end, it was Science that proved both were wrong.

[TheDemonLord]

why do you feel the need to explain shit?

The alarming number of scientifically illiterate people, making 'scientific' claims in the public domain for a start.

science is god for white cracker jew cunts. it's just another fucken theory.

and how then, does it make you feel, when science can only arbitrarily name, but not describe, observe or measure 90% of what stuff is (or, isn't...)?

It fills me with wonder at the depths of our ignorance and joy at the prospect of new discovery.

[ellipsis]

depends of if it's called aloe or not. otherwise someone's beat you to it.

...that shit from a succulent...nah...that's about as effective as water...

[sugilite:Me]

Well, Hang on a sec there:

Someone does Science and Publishes a Paper in a Peer Reviewed Journal
Other Scientists (the aforementioned Peers) then attempt to tear the paper to shreds - looking for any flaw/fault in the experiment
If no flaw or fault can be found, then the other scientists attempt to re-create the experiment to confirm the results

and more.....

Hang on a sec there:
You seem a bit defensive.
I'm sure you are familiar with what the word absolute means.
You use my flat earth and centre of the universe examples as being born of religious methodology and fair enough.
However, I notice you kind of forgot to mention what I said next.

So what happens if the hadron collider disproves the big bang theory? That would be a pretty freaking big change, yes?
Big changes in the scientific knowledge base can and do occur.
So it makes me wonder why you are being so defensive about my earlier statement? "It's those that treat current science as absolute gospel that make me laugh."
It would appear to me that your argument to my quote is in fact backing up what I are in effect saying. Science from the past through to the present is hardly an "absolute".

[mashman]

Shoulda left science to groups of guys in garages.