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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Here's a reversal of events, I usually (read always) disagree with Mash & agree with you, however, here's an example.
    Any money taken by the govt to be re distributed as they see fit, by any name, is a tax. That makes the acc portion of bike a rego tax also.
    I know of a young chap that fucked himself up royally on a bike recently to the point of near death, with years of rehabilitation ahead of him & probably the prospect of being a sickness beneficiary for the rest of his life.
    His bike had no rego (& therefore no acc levy paid) because apparently " he doesn't believe in that sort of thing"
    He seems to believe in all the free healthcare & benefit he is receiving that I'm helping to fund however.
    So yeah, there's an example of someone that doesn't appreciate how their taxes (if they actually paid any) are being spent"
    Meh. A targeted tax not paid might reasonably amount to the related benefit not being made available, no?

    Fair enough, bring it on, make every tax targeted, and every benefit dependent on payment of the related tax.

    Which was the point I was making, the bottom half of all taxpayers don't contribute enough to cover their benefits. And fuckwits bitch about the evel business owner's tax avoidance depriving them of their rightful alms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    They take more in benefits than they pay in tax, fucking weird idea of "fair" you got, there.
    Stop baggin the system man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    I blame the Real Estate Agents. The more a house sells for, the more goes into their back pocket. It's in their own interests to inflate the prices.
    A house can only sell for the price anybody/somebody is willing to pay.


    If you think the price is too high ... don't buy it ...
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    Get ready for a huge price increase for new houses.
    New workplace Safety Reform due to start about July.
    Just had a short training course and my workplace is going to be about 25% less efficient.
    Ill be required to wear safety glasses and gloves 100% of the time. Cant wait to fit off electronics in gloves.

    http://www.mbie.govt.nz/what-we-do/w...-safety-reform
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    you get way more apples for your dollar in Dunedin

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Get ready for a huge price increase for new houses.
    New workplace Safety Reform due to start about July.
    Just had a short training course and my workplace is going to be about 25% less efficient.
    Ill be required to wear safety glasses and gloves 100% of the time. Cant wait to fit off electronics in gloves.

    http://www.mbie.govt.nz/what-we-do/w...-safety-reform
    That should drive up the price of existing homes too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Get ready for a huge price increase for new houses.
    New workplace Safety Reform due to start about July.
    Just had a short training course and my workplace is going to be about 25% less efficient.
    Ill be required to wear safety glasses and gloves 100% of the time. Cant wait to fit off electronics in gloves.

    http://www.mbie.govt.nz/what-we-do/w...-safety-reform
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    the future of affable housing





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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    . Cant wait to fit off electronics in gloves.

    http://www.mbie.govt.nz/what-we-do/w...-safety-reform
    Surely you will get that done in china now?...while you sit there waiting in your chair with helmet glasses gloves and biohazard suit on.
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    Workplace Safety NZ is taking WINZ up on the shooting because WINZ failed to keep their employees safe from the hazard. One Government department fining another. To me this stinks of WINZ taking a fall for Workplace Safety NZ to have a case win that all other cases to be compared to as the president will have been set in a court of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Workplace Safety NZ is taking WINZ up on the shooting because WINZ failed to keep their employees safe from the hazard. One Government department fining another. To me this stinks of WINZ taking a fall for Workplace Safety NZ to have a case win that all other cases to be compared to as the president will have been set in a court of law.
    Like any other retail business, at any point a masked gunman may turn up at my workplace to demand the days takings. Does that mean that if I don't install bulletproof glass around my staff and one of them gets shot that I can be charged with not taking all steps to keep them safe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Like any other retail business, at any point a masked gunman may turn up at my workplace to demand the days takings. Does that mean that if I don't install bulletproof glass around my staff and one of them gets shot that I can be charged with not taking all steps to keep them safe?
    Correct. If there is any perceived risk prior to an incident then you could face 600k-3mill fine for failure to prevent a workplace injury if you are a business owner or company director as far as the course we attended last week indicates. The likelihood is not yet certain but the possibility is real.

    Currently I am looking into a trust fund for my assets as a form of protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Correct. If there is any perceived risk prior to an incident then you could face 600k-3mill fine for failure to prevent a workplace injury if you are a business owner or company director as far as the course we attended last week indicates. The likelihood is not yet certain but the possibility is real.

    Currently I am looking into a trust fund for my assets as a form of protection.
    Not entirely correct (depending on whether the fine is levied with or without evidence of such an accident/event). The law only requires that you take all practicable steps to prevent such an occurrence. They can't make you spend more than a contracts value (if that's what it costs) if you can demonstrate that it isn't practical (but that you have taken all 'practicable steps to prevent a foreseeable accident event). However, if someone is seriously incapacitated or killed, A judge will find that even ten times the cost of the contract is reasonable (after the fact) if it would have prevented that injury or death and will fine you (and your customer if you are a contractor). See determination in worker death at the Botany Downs shopping complex.

    So yes. If you are a contractor you are well fucked.

    BTW as a director of a company you will be held personally liable unless you had absolutely nothing to do with the development, execution or monitoring of your OSH obligations. Even then, A single site visit can be argued to make you liable. If you actually work on the project you are well fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Correct. If there is any perceived risk prior to an incident then you could face 600k-3mill fine for failure to prevent a workplace injury if you are a business owner or company director as far as the course we attended last week indicates. The likelihood is not yet certain but the possibility is real.

    Currently I am looking into a trust fund for my assets as a form of protection.
    While I find the law changes dodgy at best, in reality how often does one get fined? The fines are one thing, but in Health & Safety terms, how often does an employer get a fine without just cause of some sorts?

    Bringing this panic down to earth, and onto another topic for a second...if the average motorist were worried about fines then they'd all drive like model citizens...

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    so another house in my street is on the market.

    it was sold in November for 690.000, and has been empty since. A bit of color on the fence, some trimming of the trees and a lick of paint around the window sills. Back on the market fro about 890.000. Only advertised to chinese it appears as these are the only ones coming for a look. I expect the house to sell quickly.

    We don't have a housing crisis per se, we have a speculation crisis.

    Btw. of all the houses in my area that have been sold - some 20 odd, only two went to caucasians. The rest are chinese, indian and other asians.

    some of these houses are empty and not on the market. I expect them to go on the market within a few month.
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