This cunt got what he deserved!

[Maha]

Mark, that post doesn't even make any sense.

(Not that that should come as any surprise).

Admit it Steve, you are the complete woman in any mans language.

[Katman]

From the criminal idiots lady lawyer:"My client's back was turned and the officer drove right into him," she said. "It isn't that dissimilar to a police officer shooting a fleeing suspect in the back."

Spare me days!

Yes, the officer should have driven past the criminal idiot, executed a smooth U-turn (hopefully without cleaning up any motorbikes) then rammed the idiot face on - Queensberry rules and all that old chap!

Seriously man, please don't ever consider moving into investigative police work.

Stick to being their Lost and Found Monitor.

[scumdog]

Seriously man, please don't ever consider moving into investigative police work.

Stick to being their Lost and Found Monitor.

Another non-sequitur

Eight more and you get a free toaster!

[jasonu]

From the criminal idiots lady lawyer:"My client's back was turned and the officer drove right into him," she said. "It isn't that dissimilar to a police officer shooting a fleeing suspect in the back."

Spare me days!

Yes, the officer should have driven past the criminal idiot, executed a smooth U-turn (hopefully without cleaning up any motorbikes) then rammed the idiot face on - Queensberry rules and all that old chap!

Must spread more rep...

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously man, please don't ever consider moving into investigative police work.

Stick to being their Lost and Found Monitor.

Okay Katman - I have a question for you:

At what point(s) are the Police justified to use Deadly force (in your opinion)?

and

based on your answer to the above, what is it in this incident that in your opinion means that Deadly force wasn't justified?

[Big Dog]

Can't be bothered reading entire three pages (busy last day of school holidays.... that should wind up a few).

I am not a gun owner and have never fired a gun in my life (oh, tell a lie - air gun once when I was about 9 in a friends basement before OSH and all that).
But...surely police, at the very least, are trained in firearms use and how to bring down a suspect without always having to kill them?? Ok I realise that not everyone with a gun license, or trained policeman, or even soldier, is a finely honed sharpshooting sniper but if you're going to fire a weapon without intending to kill someone then surely there are ways you are taught to do that non-lethally?

Yeah yeah moving target'n'all but do these people get their gun license from a weetbix packet (must be a weetbix box 'cos that's where so many kiwi driver seem to find their...)

Whatever your intent, you never pull the trigger if you aren't prepared to kill what's at the end of the barrel.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[unstuck]

From another source......Former US Secret Service agent Dan Bongino told CNN that the suspect had to be stopped but not with a vehicle running into him.

"I have to question this tactic a bit," he said. "I think setting up a secure perimeter and at least making some attempt to negotiate may have been far more efficient."

[Katman]

Okay Katman - I have a question for you:

At what point(s) are the Police justified to use Deadly force (in your opinion)?

and

based on your answer to the above, what is it in this incident that in your opinion means that Deadly force wasn't justified?

It's justified when other means of resolution have been exhausted.

[TheDemonLord]

It's justified when other means of resolution have been exhausted.

So, Immediate risk is not a factor - only that all other options have been exhausted?

The Reducto ad absurdium of this would be that you would be happy to let own family be killed, so that all other methods could be exhausted first.

You will forgive my skepticism if I think that your answer is not your complete opinion and were you presented with a scenario above, you would prefer that the Police acted in such a manner that your family lives, at the expense of trying other methods.

[jasonu]

It's justified when other means of resolution have been exhausted.

Like what? Reasoning with him. Promising him a helicopter ride to the Bahamas?
They told him to put down the gun and submit.
What more is there when dealing with a deranged individual with a loaded gun?????

[Katman]

You will forgive my skepticism if I think that your answer is not your complete opinion and were you presented with a scenario above, you would prefer that the Police acted in such a manner that your family lives, at the expense of trying other methods.

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue what I think.

[Katman]

What more is there when dealing with a deranged individual with a loaded gun?????

Negotiation.

Not "put down the gun or I'll....BANG....shoot".

[Katman]

I'm sure the likes of Scumdog literally salivate over the idea of being allowed to shoot every mentally ill person they come across.

Trouble is, that does not make for a civilised society.

[scumdog]

I'm sure the likes of Scumdog literally salivate over the idea of being allowed to shoot every mentally ill person they come across.

Trouble is, that does not make for a civilised society.

I detect a tone of nervousness here - but it's your lucky day punk - I'm not up the North Island THIS weekend...

[TheDemonLord]

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue what I think.

So, You'd let your own family die in the scenario I mentioned, whilst all alternatives were tried?