This cunt got what he deserved!

[jasonu]

I'm guessing you have an obsessive compulsive disorder.

and you continue to avoid a simple question because it doesn't suit your argument.

[Katman]

Your 'arguments' are now just as stupid and pointless as Cassina's.

Really?

You seem convinced that this guy was about to embark on a murderous rampage.

I'm just pointing out that he missed a prime target if murderous rampaging was his intent.

[Katman]

and you continue to avoid a simple question because it doesn't suit your argument.

How does a question about me speeding have anything to do with this particular 'argument'?

[Bikemad]

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue what I think.

i sometimes think even you don't have a fucking clue what you think

Negotiation.

Not "put down the gun or I'll....BANG....shoot".

how do you know all that wasn't tried already......

I'm sure the likes of Scumdog literally salivate over the idea of being allowed to shoot every mentally ill person they come across.

Trouble is, that does not make for a civilised society.

and thats the point right there............how do you negotiate with a mentally ill person.........maybe like Cunstable Abbott negotiated with Steven Wallace.....is that what you mean

Fuck me .. crazy steals a gun from a shop, points it at cops, points it at himself .. fires into the air ...

Cop takes him down ...

What the fuck is your problem ??? Cop did a GREAT job .. bad guy only does two days in hospital ... if they'd shot him (which would have been an acceptable option) dopey dude would be dead ...

Better to take him out with a car than to have him shoot someone ...

Yep

[TheDemonLord]

and thats the point right there............how do you negotiate with a mentally ill person.........maybe like Cunstable Abbott negotiated with Steven Wallace.....is that what you mean

If memory serves correctly - that negotiation ended succesfully: Bullets succeeded in convincing Mr Wallace to stop...

[Katman]

If memory serves correctly - that negotiation ended succesfully: Bullets succeeded in convincing Mr Wallace to stop...

See, there's another example of a big difference between us.

I don't see any humour in the Stephen Wallace incident either.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If memory serves correctly - that negotiation ended succesfully: Bullets succeeded in convincing Mr Wallace to stop...

Don't get me wrong...you threaten a police officer with a golf club you're gonna get yourself in all sorts of trouble. But getting shot seems a lil over the top to me. Waiting for a dog handler may've been a better option. He was smashing windows...not heads.

[Bikemad]

Don't get me wrong...you threaten a police officer with a golf club you're gonna get yourself in all sorts of trouble. But getting shot seems a lil over the top to me. Waiting for a dog handler may've been a better option. He was smashing windows...not heads.

in a nutshell

[Big Dog]

in a nutshell

This one will always be contentious.
The machine says he was advancing on police officers when they took action after a long standoff.
The family says he was just acting out and he would never hurt anyone. Although how the police are supposed to know that is beyond me.
I am sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Bikemad]

This one will always be contentious.
The machine says he was advancing on police officers when they took action after a long standoff.
The family says he was just acting out and he would never hurt anyone. Although how the police are supposed to know that is beyond me.
I am sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

so 3 highly trained police officers in full riot gear with batons and spray can't deal with one pissed/high emotional/angry retard with a golf club..........shit imagine if he had a gun...........

[TheDemonLord]

See, there's another example of a big difference between us.

I don't see any humour in the Stephen Wallace incident either.

How about this:

If I ever go on a rampage with a deadly weapon, regardless if I am endangering the public or not - and I get shot by the Police, I give you my full permission to laugh and make whatever disparging remarks about me you feel like.

Deal?

I for one, see lots of humour in the Stephen Wallace incident:

Don't bring a Golf club to a gun fight
Don't try and advance on a policeman with a Firearm brandishing a dangerous weapon
Don't be a twat in public
Don't let your mentally unstable family members get drunk and go on a rampage: get them committed so they can get the help they need

etc.

[Katman]

If I ever go on a rampage with a deadly weapon, regardless if I am endangering the public or not - and I get shot by the Police, I give you my full permission to laugh and make whatever disparging remarks about me you feel like.

Deal?

What if you don't ever go on a rampage with a deadly weapon?

Can I still laugh and make disparaging remarks about you?

[TheDemonLord]

Don't get me wrong...you threaten a police officer with a golf club you're gonna get yourself in all sorts of trouble. But getting shot seems a lil over the top to me. Waiting for a dog handler may've been a better option. He was smashing windows...not heads.

I seem to recall some debate around this at the time - around what was correct police procedure:

if I get this wrong - I apologise, I CBF digging up the records - but it was something along the lines that in a situation where there was no danger to the public, the correct procedure was to back off and wait for the Armed Offenders squad. The debate was whether or not there was danger to the Public or the officer himself: The courts in the end sided with the Officer that when Williams advanced on him and I think threw a club or bat at the Officer that was grounds for the Officer to use Deadly force - and that Williams dropped about 5 m from the Officer (which isn't a great deal of distance)

[TheDemonLord]

What if you don't ever go on a rampage with a deadly weapon?

Can I still laugh and make disparaging remarks about you?

Of course you can - I'll just think you are a knob

[Katman]

Of course you can - I'll just think you are a knob

Deal .