This cunt got what he deserved!

[Katman]

No I have not - would having Mental Illness (and not getting it treated) give me Carte Blanche to do as I please free from consequences, no it does not.

Of course it doesn't give you cart blanche to do as you please free from consequences.

But in a civilised society it should be expected that the manner in which you're dealt with may be handled somewhat more delicately.

[Banditbandit]

My first thought was something like "are you all such bad shots you can't pop a couple of rounds in him?" so you run the guy down in a patrol car...

It's not that easy to hit a person with a pistol - let alone place a shot somewhere where it won't kill. And the guy had a gun ... if wounded he may well start firing back.

I've seen people (not cops) miss a human target with a pistol at one and a half meters ...

[TheDemonLord]

Of course it doesn't give you cart blanche to do as you please free from consequences.

But in a civilised society it should be expected that the manner in which you're dealt with may be handled somewhat more delicately.

Absolutely - when acting Civilised in a Civilised society - but what of those acting in an uncivilised manner?

[Katman]

Absolutely - when acting Civilised in a Civilised society - but what of those acting in an uncivilised manner?

Are you being deliberately retarded?

People with a mental illness will often act in an uncivilised manner.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you being deliberately retarded?

People with a mental illness will often act in an uncivilised manner.

No, I am deliberately backing you into a logical corner:

Uncivilised People (Mental Illness or not) require uncivilised means to deal with them - sometimes that means a straight Jacket, sometimes it means sedation, and other times (like when they are armed and running amok in public) it means a bullet.

In the Wallace incident - it appears the police tried Civilised means first - they failed and had to resort to uncivilised means (this was before NZ Police had access to Less-than-Lethal options such as a Taser - if memory serves, this was a seminal case in the Taser debate as a situation where Less-than-Lethal Force would have been used if it was an option)

[Katman]

Uncivilised People (Mental Illness or not) require uncivilised means to deal with them - sometimes that means a straight Jacket, sometimes it means sedation, and other times (like when they are armed and running amok in public) it means a bullet.

Believe me, you're not backing me into any sort of corner.

Using uncivilised means to deal with the mentally ill indicates an uncivilised society.

[oldrider]

It's not that easy to hit a person with a pistol - let alone place a shot somewhere where it won't kill. And the guy had a gun ... if wounded he may well start firing back.

I've seen people (not cops) miss a human target with a pistol at one and a half meters ...

I saw on TV news once a NZ cop firing (a full clip?) point blank at a bloody dog milling about and completely missed FFS - trained in firearms use? - Failed surely!

[TheDemonLord]

Believe me, you're not backing me into any sort of corner.

Using uncivilised means to deal with the mentally ill indicates an uncivilised society.

What happens when Civil means fails then? Mental Illness or not - what then? We must resort to Uncivilised means - unless you have another suggestion?

[Crasherfromwayback]

What happens when Civil means fails then?

https://www.facebook.com/40842809591...6/?pnref=story

[unstuck]

https://www.facebook.com/40842809591...6/?pnref=story

Seems reasonable.

[Madness]

Seems reasonable.

Well he is wearing a uniform, of sorts.

[unstuck]

Well he is wearing a uniform, of sorts.

I thought it was an american police training video.

[Madness]

I thought it was an american police training video.

I think you'll find it's actually from the Whangaparaoa Parking Wardens department

[Katman]

What happens when Civil means fails then? Mental Illness or not - what then? We must resort to Uncivilised means - unless you have another suggestion?

Civilised means should be exhausted first rather than jumping straight to the uncivilised means.

[Katman]

American cops and guns.



(And don't worry, they don't actually shoot the dog).