Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

**Brian d marge** · 8th April 2015, 21:34

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Who said anything about resources?

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.

I know you get all sweaty and foam a bit about scared old white fuckers but seriously, soon you'll have to start counting swimming pools and country estates to figure out who's poor, it's getting fucking ridiculous.

2 kg of what ever you are smokin

Ill pay cash

Have a look at what led up to an caused the great depression

Now have a look at the dow and asset prices

Actually make it 3 kg it sounds like its good weed

**Brian d marge** · 8th April 2015, 21:40

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Fucking right there's something wrong, it's the natural consequence of governments buying votes: a slim majority get more than they earn at the expense of a minority who get less than they earn. Up top there they get WAY less than they earn.

Socialism eh? Who'd have it?

Make that 4 kg

As slight majority of people get more money than they should earn at the expense of the minority who dont get enough

Nope . . Ya going to have run that one past me again

**mashman** · 8th April 2015, 21:52

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Who said anything about resources?

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.

I know you get all sweaty and foam a bit about scared old white fuckers but seriously, soon you'll have to start counting swimming pools and country estates to figure out who's poor, it's getting fucking ridiculous.

It's the sweet way you speak about human beings.

Demographics are commoditised, marketed against blah blah fuckin blah and turned into money makers. And that's better off? The associated bullshit that goes with that is kinda pathetic and accepting that as something that's required in order to make an economy tick is exceptionally ignorant. That goes doubly for democracy and international trade. It's a fuckin waste is what it is.

As I said to Oscar, it's sympathy. They literally don't know what they're missing.

**Scuba_Steve** · 8th April 2015, 22:11

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.

Bullshit! I'm not. I've had to decrease my vehicle fleet by 2 due to cost of ownership getting beyond what I could afford & I'm still paying more for what's left than I was for my full fleet a "generation ago" & I'm more restricted in the use of them... I can't in any way shape or form call that "better off", I love my vehicles

**Brian d marge** · 8th April 2015, 23:13

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Bullshit! I'm not. I've had to decrease my vehicle fleet by 2 due to cost of ownership getting beyond what I could afford & I'm still paying more for what's left than I was for my full fleet a "generation ago" & I'm more restricted in the use of them... I can't in any way shape or form call that "better off", I love my vehicles

I feel your pain . . Im on me last wife and she costin me a far bit more than I can afford

**Ocean1** · 9th April 2015, 08:18

Originally Posted by mashman

It's the sweet way you speak about human beings.

Demographics are commoditised, marketed against blah blah fuckin blah and turned into money makers. And that's better off? The associated bullshit that goes with that is kinda pathetic and accepting that as something that's required in order to make an economy tick is exceptionally ignorant. That goes doubly for democracy and international trade. It's a fuckin waste is what it is.

As I said to Oscar, it's sympathy. They literally don't know what they're missing.

That "associated bullshit" is called statistics, it's the language used to discuss large numbers of things.

And the fact that you don't understand it is ample reason to write off your somewhat unintelligible ravings as uninformed bullshit.

And that's without addressing the obvious logical flaws and contradictory statements included in your wee rant. You're obviously not a fan of democracy, for example, you constantly insist that we should all do what you say, and will do "when the revolution comes". And yet you also constantly bleat about anyone else who you fantasise may have an undue influence on govt policy.

Your whole world view is seriously fucked, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously by anyone outside of half a dozen pimply faced rebels who don't like to play with the other kids.

Now fuck off and see if you can actually earn your boss some of what he's actually paying you for today, eh?

**Scuba_Steve** · 9th April 2015, 08:22

Originally Posted by Ocean1

You're obviously not a fan of democracy

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of democracy either, but I think it'd be a shitload better system than what we have now

**Oscar** · 9th April 2015, 09:22

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Bullshit! I'm not. I've had to decrease my vehicle fleet by 2 due to cost of ownership getting beyond what I could afford & I'm still paying more for what's left than I was for my full fleet a "generation ago" & I'm more restricted in the use of them... I can't in any way shape or form call that "better off", I love my vehicles

Select one of your fleet and do a comparison on the purchase price 30 years ago and today (maybe use the average wage as a comparison point), then tell us about ""cost of ownership".

**bogan** · 9th April 2015, 09:36

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of democracy either, but I think it'd be a shitload better system than what we have now

It's only a proper democracy if they agree with me right?

**Scuba_Steve** · 9th April 2015, 10:16

Originally Posted by Oscar

Select one of your fleet and do a comparison on the purchase price 30 years ago and today (maybe use the average wage as a comparison point), then tell us about ""cost of ownership".

Never brought new if that helps, & I can't say bike prices have changed a hell of alot (to buy), cars have fluctuated a bit but also got worse. I remember being able to buy a decent RWD manual or 5 (late 80's produced the best)...

Originally Posted by bogan

It's only a proper democracy if they agree with me right?

Nope it's only a proper democracy if everyone has a say & is in control

**mashman** · 9th April 2015, 11:39

Originally Posted by Ocean1

That "associated bullshit" is called statistics, it's the language used to discuss large numbers of things.

And the fact that you don't understand it is ample reason to write off your somewhat unintelligible ravings as uninformed bullshit.

And that's without addressing the obvious logical flaws and contradictory statements included in your wee rant. You're obviously not a fan of democracy, for example, you constantly insist that we should all do what you say, and will do "when the revolution comes". And yet you also constantly bleat about anyone else who you fantasise may have an undue influence on govt policy.

Your whole world view is seriously fucked, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously by anyone outside of half a dozen pimply faced rebels who don't like to play with the other kids.

Now fuck off and see if you can actually earn your boss some of what he's actually paying you for today, eh?

No, that associated bullshit is called someone's life you ignorant tit.

Given the above, it turns out, not that we didn't know already, that you're the uninformed one... worse, you prefer to make wildly inaccurate assumptions to underpin your failed position and then blurt it out as fact. Thanks though, coz it does make me laugh.

Again, you make an assumption without actually qualifying it in any way shape or form. Where you see a lack of logic and a contradictory statement, someone with a more optimistic view on reality will see near perfect logic and will be able to reconcile that contradiction. Again you fail. I have stated repeatedly that I am a complete fan of democracy (another of your vapid assumptions). I'm not insisting that we should all do what I say (another vapid assumption). Fantasise?

... I said sympathise cloth ears.

... what, you think I'm alone? Boy are you going to get a shock. Don't worry though, I'll be there for you to answer any of your questions once the penny drops.

Boss?

... jeez you're dumb.

**blue rider** · 9th April 2015, 17:39

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/201...-middle-earth/

he Government is blaming a slump in milk prices on the world market being awash with milk. But New Zealand First leader Winston Peters said National’s economic policies and the high value of the New Zealand dollar were not helping dairy farmers. In the Global Dairy Trade auction prices dropped 10.8% overnight to $US2746 a tonne, the second fall in a fortnight. Mr Peters said he predicted the fall and it was a sign of rural areas lagging behind. “I’ve been saying it for a long long time – what you’ve got is a fixation with Auckland, hollowing out the provincial economies and sucking all the attention and money to Auckland and that is not going to go on any longer.”

Mr Peters said New Zealand had a free market system that no other country followed and he would legislate to control the exchange rate, similar to Singapore’s system. “The one country that’s not devaluing at the moment is New Zealand – every other economy has. [..] Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce firmly rejected that idea. “Well, with the greatest respect to Winston I am old enough, and so is he, to remember the last time we tried to set the exchange rate in this country and it wasn’t that successful…

“What he is basically saying is that he would legislate, presumably, to put the exchange rate at a level it won’t naturally go and that means effectively increasing costs for the consumer and decreasing costs for exporters.” [..] Meanwhile, the Fonterra Shareholders Council said some frustrated farmers were considering leaving the co-operative due to the price slump.

resident Xi has reinforced the contrasting effects of the changes in China on Australia and New Zealand by encouraging consumers and investors to spend more of China’s big trade surpluses overseas. Tourism from China was up 40% in the first two months of this year from a year ago, and there remains plenty of demand from investors in China for New Zealand assets.

The dark side of this tornado in New Zealand after the flapping of the butterfly’s wings in China was felt in Nelson this week. The region’s biggest logging trucking firm, Waimea Contract Carriers, was put into voluntary administration owing $14m, partly because of a slump in log exports to China in the past six months.

That’s because New Zealand’s logs are now mostly shipped to China to be timber boxing for the concrete being poured in its new “ghost” cities. The Chinese iron ore butterfly has flapped and now we’re seeing Gold Coast winter breaks become cheaper and logging contracts rarer.

fuckayeah mate, all is good in nzillind, cause i have mine, and you well fuck ya.