MotoGP 2015

**Oscar** · 22nd April 2015, 12:29

Originally Posted by McWild

Jack Miller top Open in Argentina, Maverick Vinales doing superbly on the Suzuki.

I think Moto2's relevance is waning, hard, and it's a real shame. It was the class to watch in 2010/2011. I just skip to the end of it now.

- There aren't enough seats in GP to accommodate a lot of the talent that maybe would have made it through a few years ago.
- Moto3 is more expensive and it's where the big, established teams are dumping their money (Marc VDS, Gresini, Aspar)
- Everybody's trying to spot talent so early on these days that you're pretty much out if you're not successful in the former CEV (Moto3 Junior WC)

If they can get rides in GP, this will be the last year in Moto2 for Rins, Lowes, and Rabat. But there aren't enough to go around. Zarco, Luthi, Folger, Kallio, Cortese, Siemon, Nakagami, Salom are all doomed to spend their careers in Moto2. Alex Marquez might get a free pass to GPs on his last name.

How long can we expect Quartararo to stay there, if he doesn't skip it all together? IMO Moto 2 is a class for those who are too big or too old for Moto3 and who lack the skills in riding or promotion or who lack the finances (looking at you Abraham)to get into GP.

Half the riders in Moto2 right now would do well to look at an old man (28 year old) like Efren Vazquez. Better to be a somebody in Moto3 than one of the many nobodies in Moto2 these days, no doubt about it.

Also DoviCati for World Champ 2015

There is a maximum age limit in Moto3 - 28 for existing riders and 25 for new riders.

**Autech** · 22nd April 2015, 12:45

Originally Posted by McWild

Jack Miller top Open in Argentina, Maverick Vinales doing superbly on the Suzuki.

I think Moto2's relevance is waning, hard, and it's a real shame. It was the class to watch in 2010/2011. I just skip to the end of it now.

- There aren't enough seats in GP to accommodate a lot of the talent that maybe would have made it through a few years ago.
- Moto3 is more expensive and it's where the big, established teams are dumping their money (Marc VDS, Gresini, Aspar)
- Everybody's trying to spot talent so early on these days that you're pretty much out if you're not successful in the former CEV (Moto3 Junior WC)

If they can get rides in GP, this will be the last year in Moto2 for Rins, Lowes, and Rabat. But there aren't enough to go around. Zarco, Luthi, Folger, Kallio, Cortese, Siemon, Nakagami, Salom are all doomed to spend their careers in Moto2. Alex Marquez might get a free pass to GPs on his last name.

How long can we expect Quartararo to stay there, if he doesn't skip it all together? IMO Moto 2 is a class for those who are too big or too old for Moto3 and who lack the skills in riding or promotion or who lack the finances (looking at you Abraham)to get into GP.

Half the riders in Moto2 right now would do well to look at an old man (28 year old) like Efren Vazquez. Better to be a somebody in Moto3 than one of the many nobodies in Moto2 these days, no doubt about it.

Also DoviCati for World Champ 2015

Yup me too, used to love moto2, barely watch it now usually have my laptop open browsing forums... Still think it is a fantastic class, just there is some riders in there that have been there too long hammering away the laps. Alex Rins is pretty feking awesome though, wonder if there is a seat for him in a few years time?

**Shaun Harris** · 22nd April 2015, 13:06

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Make mine Steinlager.

Done dude.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 22nd April 2015, 13:36

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Done dude.

If I loose...contact the peanut that'll owe me my carton for betting Melandri would get a top 5 (I think it was) finish.

**Shaun Harris** · 22nd April 2015, 13:40

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

If I loose...contact the peanut that'll owe me my carton for betting Melandri would get a top 5 (I think it was) finish.

Haha that sure was easy piss man

**steveyb** · 22nd April 2015, 13:42

Originally Posted by Autech

Yup me too, used to love moto2, barely watch it now usually have my laptop open browsing forums... Still think it is a fantastic class, just there is some riders in there that have been there too long hammering away the laps. Alex Rins is pretty feking awesome though, wonder if there is a seat for him in a few years time?

We (by that I mean the whiners and whingers on here) debated this last season I think.
At the end of the day, the fact that Moto2 has a single engine supplier and the engines are sealed is part of the problem. Fundamentally it is not GP racing any longer, it is simply low-volume higher spec production racing.
This means, as Toni Elias said, the bikes are not powerful enough and too even so that the good riders can be upset by not so good riders who go balls out at the start.
And it also means that the Moto2 teams have even less to do on the bikes to make a difference. While this is also true now in MotoGP, at least the engines are different and the assigned engine technicians do their best for each team.
There is absolutely no doubt of the abilities of the top 10-15 Moto2 riders, but as mentioned in the thread last year, circumstances can make some of them look decidedly average.

**Luckylegs** · 22nd April 2015, 13:50

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

If I loose...contact the peanut that'll owe me my carton for betting Melandri would get a top 5 (I think it was) finish.

Peanut? LOL

...Fuck me, I just cant believe its as bad as it is. FFS he's not incapable, he showed that in the second half of last year.... Twas actually funny the other day watching and I glanced at the screen and saw MIL running (not last) and thought fuck me he's figured out how to ride the damn thing, right before my brain engaged and realised actually, that's Miller, i'm looking for MEL.

Never mind, there's positives - The racing is fuckin fantastic and you only want steinlager so I'd rather someone else drank that anyway.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 22nd April 2015, 15:26

Originally Posted by Luckylegs

Peanut? LOL

...
Never mind, there's positives - The racing is fuckin fantastic and you only want steinlager so I'd rather someone else drank that anyway.

Lol. For making that bet, most definitely! But for sure, great season so far no matter what happens from now on. And I for one think it'll only get better! Slurp...

**Asher** · 22nd April 2015, 16:40

No one has seemed to have mentioned the proposed rule changes for 2017-2021 announced at Argentina. Up to 20 races a year and dorna offering a lot more money for satellite and private teams.

**pritch** · 22nd April 2015, 22:20

Originally Posted by Asher

No one has seemed to have mentioned the proposed rule changes for 2017-2021 announced at Argentina. Up to 20 races a year and dorna offering a lot more money for satellite and private teams.

Yes, we know about those but they are not as important as the 2016 change which may well drastically alter careers - and lives?

**Asher** · 22nd April 2015, 22:42

But they did mention they will be headed to Austria next year also, not sure if every manufacturer is entitled to a home race?
They also said they are pushing factories to have 2 factory rides and 2 factory support rides, meaning if every manufacturer does just that there wont be any slots left over for any privateer teams, although its a safe bet no one will be wanting an Aprilia satellite bike.

**Shaun Harris** · 23rd April 2015, 08:09

Originally Posted by Asher

But they did mention they will be headed to Austria next year also, not sure if every manufacturer is entitled to a home race?
They also said they are pushing factories to have 2 factory rides and 2 factory support rides, meaning if every manufacturer does just that there wont be any slots left over for any privateer teams, although its a safe bet no one will be wanting an Aprilia satellite bike.

Re Read the original post regarding the funding planning for this mate. It WAS the PRIVATEER teams that Dorna will be paying the lease for for the bikes for them to compete with. So there will be privateer teams out there still is my enterpretation of it.

**Asher** · 23rd April 2015, 08:41

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Re Read the original post regarding the funding planning for this mate. It WAS the PRIVATEER teams that Dorna will be paying the lease for for the bikes for them to compete with. So there will be privateer teams out there still is my enterpretation of it.

" Second thing is that we proposed to the 6 manufacturers who have already committed to participate - Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and KTM - that they have the right to participate with 2 bikes and then we pay them x amount of money for these 2 bikes… but they also have the obligation to lease and supply 2 bikes to a satellite team for a maximum agreed price. "

**Shaun Harris** · 23rd April 2015, 11:50

Originally Posted by Asher

" Second thing is that we proposed to the 6 manufacturers who have already committed to participate - Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and KTM - that they have the right to participate with 2 bikes and then we pay them x amount of money for these 2 bikes… but they also have the obligation to lease and supply 2 bikes to a satellite team for a maximum agreed price. "

Guess I must have miss read it eh