Harley riding fuckwits being their usual selves

[FJRider]

Because they have earned our respect!

So ... why is it only NOW ... we give them any .. ??


Whatever the war they came back from ... they were either ignored or spat on ...




Most never talked about it because simply ... unless you were there ... you would NEVER understand what they went through.

Something ... NO MOVIE could show. Times you believe your life could be measured in seconds ... as you watched your friends die.

[Grubber]

So ... why is it only NOW ... we give them any .. ??


Whatever the war they came back from ... they were either ignored or spat on ...




Most never talked about it because simply ... unless you were there ... you would NEVER understand what they went through.

Something ... NO MOVIE could show. Times you believe your life could be measured in seconds ... as you watched your friends die.

It has never been only now. This has grown from large to larger over the years. I have been to plenty of parades and there has always been good attendance.

Ignored or spat on???
They only war that comes under that category was Vietnam. Mostly due to students who knew no better and certainly wouldn't have gone to war themselves due to lack of balls RSA turned them away for totally different reason

You need to learn more about returning vets. I know first hand it was the atrocities they faced that stopped them talking and not that no one would listen or understand. Bringing it up was too much for them emotionally to be dealing with. My Father served amd trust me I know. How they felt was definitely something no lamen would understand but it wasn't the reason they didn't talk about it. Now days they have people to take care of these things.

To be fair that wasn't a very educated post of yours from where I sit.

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[Swoop]

So ... why is it only NOW ... we give them any .. ??


Whatever the war they came back from ... they were either ignored or spat on ...

I was quite impressed and humbled at the attitude of the Vietnam Vet's. Back in 1987 there was the first parade in Sydney, sort of a belated "welcome home" affair, down George St. It drew large crowds and also managed to get a few of the troops who had just faded away into society or the back of beyond, for their own reasons or attempt at forgetting, perhaps.
The guys I chatted to were getting ready, back in the hotel polishing brass and creasing fabric...
I asked if the landscape had changed enough with the anti-war lot, who were still out there in society, and they simply didn't care. That was their day and nobody was going to deny them that. Welcomed home, they truly were.

[FJRider]

To be fair that wasn't a very educated post of yours from where I sit.

Where I stood when I came home ... there was enough education to post as I have.

[unstuck]

To be fair that wasn't a very educated post of yours from where I sit.

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Would of made it easy for a fuck knuckle like you to understand then.

[Grubber]

Where I stood when I came home ... there was enough education to post as I have.

That's sounds fair for Vietnam but the broader outlook for WW2 and 1 the reception was quite different going by my views from my Father's return.
Anzac used to be in many small provincial areas in the early days but when many of the old guys retired to town or passed on the parades then grew in the larger towns escalating to the cities. I have always seen good attendence that has progressively grown over the years.
My opinion has been that we should be attending and remembering all serving returned for any war. They have contributed more than we as ordinary men could ever hope to in a life time.

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[awayatc]

Who would I chose to go to war with...,

Johny goody goody 2 shoes, or somebody who could and would rip somebody's head off.....?

Who the fuck we think we are , to believe we earned the right to be so bloody judgemental...?

[FJRider]

They have contributed more than we as ordinary men could ever hope to in a life time.

They that went ... were mostly just ordinary men and women.

[Grubber]

They that went ... were mostly just ordinary men and women.

Can't argue with that to be honest.

[Paul in NZ]

ANZAC Day itself leaves me slightly conflicted. I don’t remember may Dad being all that enamoured with it when he was 100% in charge of his faculties. I didn’t have many conversations about it but I got the impression the whole war thing was something he really would rather forget. Certainly his day job of trying to get disabled vehicles useful again at the front (ie cleaning out a tank that's sat in the desert sun for a few hours with the crew minced etc really etched into him the fun side of war.) and trip back to England overland through Europe and seeing the burn out remains of German cities affected him deeply as did the actions of some of their ‘allies’ in the Balkans.

We got a lot of stories about the fun bits - not so much about the rest. Being ambushed in the middle of the night by the SS in Italy was one such time. These guys are basically armed mechanics and all asleep in the truck - there is a ruckus so they all jump out of said truck and only half of them even think to bring weapons - 20 ft away is a VERY young German with a sub machine gun and he goes braaap... your 2 mates you have just spent a year sleeping in the back of trucks with fall - hes unharmed and the German guys gun jams and he wanders away swearing... Surreal. He said that these SS troops would have been 16 if they were lucky and all they wanted was a truck so they could run away back home to mum and yet his 2 mates died stupidly... Yet there was no time to mourn - the job still had to be done... Hard times and again - I think he felt more guilty he survived than he felt a hero? (just my impression - could be wrong)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not being ungrateful or judgemental – damned if know how I would behave and I’m bloody glad they had the guts to make hard decisions and most of all that they won but generations of painting us as the ‘good guys’ does not always fit with the actions required to actually win the damn thing. I dont think Dad felt like a hero afterwards or much like celebrating and as a result, I have not felt the need to do the dawn parade for a long time now…

ANZAC Day is our de facto national day isn’t it. Waitangi Day should be but it does not resonate anything like ANZAC Day (yet). All this may well be due to mis understandings and unhappiness around the treaty etc. I dunno – maybe I just need to get over myself.

Having said all of that - I know what the last post is and that its special - I stand and pay attention. Same as when people pray - I don't believe myself but I do believe in respecting others

[FJRider]

... I think you will find generally if a man responds to a female who is bullying him by hitting her, most people might side with the female............Sexist but true.
Also if its is a co-worker or your boss it might be fraught to hit them if either male or female.

But ... They will not do it again.

[husaberg]

But ... They will not do it again.

Nor will they get the chance to bully you again either seeing as you will be in jail and or out of a job or both.

[Grubber]

Would of made it easy for a fuck knuckle like you to understand then.

Go and have another toke ya pot head!
You have no idea obviously.
When the mist clears let me know!

[unstuck]

Go and have another toke ya pot head!
You have no idea obviously.
When the mist clears let me know!

You sir, win my MUPPET of the month award.

[Grubber]

You sir, win my MUPPET of the month award.

Ooooo that was amazing. Wish I was as smart as you.

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