When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[Katman]

So it's thier fault is it???
Really?? Think it was themselves that were doing the drug run, not the Aussie cops.

I just happen to see a small degree of humorous irony in the fact that the Australian government did all in their power to prevent the executions, and strongly condemned them after the event, when it was the actions of Aussie authorities who helped place these people on death row.

But that's Aussies for you - unable to think things through logically.

Are you Australian by any chance?

[Paul in NZ]

I just happen to see a small degree of humorous irony in the fact the the Australian government did all in their power to prevent the executions, and strongly condemned them after the event, when it was the actions of Aussie authorities who helped place these people on death row.

But that's Aussies for you - unable to think things through logically.

I agree - I cant see how they are taking the high moral ground here....

The reporting on this is well OTT.... How about a few interviews with some addicts to balance the whole thing out. Messing about with drugs in places where there are known consequences for getting caught is dumb... Dumb eventually gets you dead so I think the Indonesians are just helping things along...

Cheers

[Banditbandit]

Does the punishment fit the crime?

Using your logic, is it right for the state to imprison someone for imprisoning someone in their basement? To fine someone for stealing money?

All good questions ... what is your answer? I only posed one myself ..

Sense of proportion required, a traffic ticket costs me about the time I saved speeding in the first place.

Actual crime, however needs to be managed by a warning for a first offense, temporary removal from society for a second and permanent removal for a third.

Lock 'em up by all means, but don't ask me to pay for it.

Hang on .. so you are saying that some rules of our society as only minor and can be broken as long as you are prepared to pay a fine - but other rules cannot be broken .. and sch transgression deserves the death penalty?

Who decides which rules are minor and which rules are major??

[Banditbandit]

Whoever said it was wrong for an individual to kill? Apart from Moses.

Our laws do ...

Say a hunter comes home to find some fuckwit baling his wife & kids up against a wall with a gun pointed at 'em... are you gonna tell this man that shooting that fuckwit was wrong?

Our laws say it is wrong - taking the law into your own hands ...

Wow, did you strain anything while performing that massive leap of flawed thinking? If it were up to me, the death penalty would be applied to drunk drivers, anyone who thinks that country music is a good idea, and the bitch I took to my high school prom. You'd be up against the wall in about the third tranche simply because you're making plants work overtime to produce oxygen, and one day those plants might be running near full throttle and I'd hate to think intelligent good people may be robbed of the air they deserve while you're still sucking oxygen.

Now, if you want to keep twisting arguments to prove what a moron you are, suggest you join Cassina in her personal hell.

Boy are you pissed at the world??? Have you every thought of getting professional help?

[Banditbandit]

Oh Lorde isn't that bad!

"you must spread ..."

[Paul in NZ]

I'd say this turd was a prime candidate...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...ars-for-murder

Detached and just killed at random for the thrill of it... OK - he gets 30 years but how could anyone every trust him? It was hardly a crime of passion was it..

[Gadget1]

The main thing against capital punishment (fact wise, not emotion wise), in the US at least, is that it costs more to execute someone than to just jail 'em for life.



Not surprising. There is no perfect justice system full fuckin' stop. So what? Are you arguing that it's OK to wrongly imprison the odd person for life without chance of parole, but not to execute them?

I'm certainly not disagreeing about costs of capital punishment but was simply providing some of the other reasons as I stated. If you want to get into facts then there's four more other than emotions that are part of the mix.

The focus of Pritch's and my posts were about capital punishment not the justice system as a whole. If you look back on my posts, I don't believe in prison.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This cunt who (allegedly) killed Blessie sounds like a good conteder for a dose of lead poisoning. Oh...and these sick animals that keep beating children to death or subjecting them to depraved abuse and/or torture. Line all of them up together to see who many can be taken from one good caliber round to save on ammunition costs.

Prob quite a few with this.

[Erelyes]

Our laws do ...

Not necessarily.

'Homicide that is not culpable is not an offence'

[pritch]

Random thoughts on execution methods:

As I recall Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in his book "The Gulag Archipeligo" described the execution method popular in Moscow during the Stalinist era. They would tell the prisoner who was about to be executed that he was going to have his photo taken. He could then be taken to the scene of the execution with minimum fuss. He would then be sat down in front of a camera following which he would receive a bullet in the back of the head.

If anbody tells you they are going to take your photo then leads you to a tiled room with a drain in the floor, be afraid. Be very afraid.

Some states in the USA have favoured the lethal injection which on the face of it sounds clean. The actual injection consists of a cocktail of drugs. The manufacturer in Europe of one of the critical componments found out how it was being used and has banned export of their product to the USA. The various states have now exhausted all of their supplies so they have contracted various pharmacies to try to recreate the drug - with less than stellar success. One guy took hours to die. Another had made his speech containing what were intended to be his last words but then added what were to be his actual final words,
"I feel my whole body burning".

Utah have previously favoured the firing squad, other states the gas chamber or the electric chair. In their enthusiasm to continue killing people they are having to do some serious head scratching to solve their chemical supply problems.

It has been reported that the Indonesian judges requested payment to ensure a lighter sentence. The payment - a bribe - was not forthcoming so...
Having lived in Asia for a couple of years and having some modest experience of their systems, that story has the ring of truth for me.

After the Indonesian firing squad has done its thing there is reportedly a wait of ten minutes before a check is conducted to see if a further bullet is required. This does raise questions about why it took some twenty minutes for the victims to be declared dead. Death from a bullet through the heart can be virtually instantaneous but that does not necessarily appear to be guaranteed in Indonesia.

[Banditbandit]

Death from a bullet through the heart can be virtually instantaneous but that does not necessarily appear to be guaranteed in Indonesia.

There's now be heaps of jokes about the Indonesian difficulty in finding hearts ..

[mashman]

Legislate all drugs and stop it being a crime, in fact stop the mules, the need for border control to loo for drugs etc... coz the fuckers that5's gonna take drugs is gonna gettem from somewhere, so why criminalise people for supplying for demand? Oh yeah, blind scared old whitey doesn't think doing drugs is good m'kay.

I don't think these guys should have faced jail, let alone been killed.

[oldrider]

Legislate all drugs and stop it being a crime, in fact stop the mules, the need for border control to loo for drugs etc... coz the fuckers that5's gonna take drugs is gonna gettem from somewhere, so why criminalise people for supplying for demand? Oh yeah, blind scared old whitey doesn't think doing drugs is good m'kay.

I don't think these guys should have faced jail, let alone been killed.

True! - This shit hasn't worked yet and it doesn't look as if it will in the future - taking the value out of it might? - maybe?

[mashman]

True! - This shit hasn't worked yet and it doesn't look as if it will in the future - taking the value out of it might? - maybe?

I don't see why not. Oh, and more tax $ . Taking the value out of a great many things would instantly shrink the "criminal" pool

[unstuck]

Whatever you resist, persist's. Carl Jung I think, wise man.