SCU on TV1 - bike vs car fatal

[marmel]

Perhaps, but if I do and live to tell the tale I won't be thinking wrong place wrong time thats for sure.

[Berries]

If there is ever a decision of fault between a motorcyclist and a car driver, the car driver gets the benefit of the doubt.

That is complete and utter shit.

[FJRider]

Perhaps, but if I do and live to tell the tale I won't be thinking wrong place wrong time thats for sure.

NOT thinking is the major cause of accidents. START THINKING ...

[marmel]

NOT thinking is the major cause of accidents. START THINKING ...

Yep I agree with you there, not being fully aware of your surroundings/speed on vehicles which can accelerate like a bat out of hell can be a recipe for disaster.

[FJRider]

Too much ice and grit around soon anyway which of course could be an enviromental influence or I could be at fault for not riding to the conditions

I see you live in Southland. I live in Central Otago. We get a fair amount of both up here ..

The answer will probably come to me as I am sliding down the road.

At times such as that ... answers will be the last of your worries.

The question will be ... when (where) it will END .. ?? but whose fault will it be .. ??

[marmel]

As long as I have the right gear on it's not so much sliding down the road that I would be worried about, just the sudden stop at the end.

[FJRider]

Yep I agree with you there, not being fully aware of your surroundings/speed on vehicles which can accelerate like a bat out of hell can be a recipe for disaster.

You'll be fine then ..

[FJRider]

As long as I have the right gear on it's not so much sliding down the road that I would be worried about, just the sudden stop at the end.

It still hurts. Even if the stop is not sudden.

They haven't made gear that stops all of that.

[trustme]

Timing can matter . A mate was seriously injured in a bike accident a while back. He crested the brow of a hill at the legal speed just as a plumber doing a site inspection pulled out of a drive. SCU attended , no charges were laid.
They believed that the rider was not speeding but had almost no time to react. They believed the driver started his turn while the visible road was clear.

Another mate had exactly the same thing happen to him but he was uninjured. Both said they almost felt sorry for the driver, neither were speeding. Both are competent riders, one of them is possibly the most competent road rider I have ever ridden with.
Shit can happen.

Now katman will burst forth with , you must be able to stop in the distance ahead of you .

[Katman]

Now katman will burst forth with , you must be able to stop in the distance ahead of you .

It's certainly worth considering what may be around a blind corner or over a blind crest that may spoil your day though.

Do you take corners with an advisory speed sign of 35kph at 100kph simply because 100kph is the speed limit?

[willytheekid]

Shit can happen.

THIS! +1 (sadly)

...and yet some on here are so fucking ignorant! that they believe this basic rule of life dosn't apply to them...because they have never had an accident, all due to there MAGICAL riding abilities and being able to control all others on the road, and the conditions, and even good & bad luck!

...Unicorns they is (They think there a "Rare magical breed"...Yet we all know they simply dont fucking exisit! and there actually just Donkeys!)



Were are all human (cept Nodrog!)...hence we all make the odd mistake or poor choice now and then that gets us into trouble...and, shit happens!...hence we can only try our best to keep ourselves safe on the roads.(As KM keeps reminding us all...get some fucking training!...then use it AND your brain to stay safe)


So "TRY" to Ride safe KBers...Im kinda fond of you lot (Why I have no idea)

[marmel]

Timing can matter . A mate was seriously injured in a bike accident a while back. He crested the brow of a hill at the legal speed just as a plumber doing a site inspection pulled out of a drive. SCU attended , no charges were laid.
They believed that the rider was not speeding but had almost no time to react. They believed the driver started his turn while the visible road was clear.

Another mate had exactly the same thing happen to him but he was uninjured. Both said they almost felt sorry for the driver, neither were speeding. Both are competent riders, one of them is possibly the most competent road rider I have ever ridden with.
Shit can happen.

Now katman will burst forth with , you must be able to stop in the distance ahead of you .

So the outcome was the SCU found that the enviromental conditions were at fault, in this case the road layout. Timing is irrelevant really as the road design has to allow for this type of occurence, one vehicle driving along the road and another wanting to pull out. I will bet the SCU report didn't have bad timing as a causative factor because what are you saying if you say that, any accidents from here on at this intersection can be blamed on bad timing? The report would have had the design of the road, limited visibility, issues with the crest of the hill being close to the intersection as causes, not timing.

[marmel]

Another issue with blaming timing for an accident is that it would be just at valid to stand in the dock and say that the fact you had to wipe your arse more than usual that morning delayed your day by 10 seconds thereby putting you in that situation at that time of the day. Or perhaps blame the wind which slowed down your journey by 10 seconds, you could even blame the lovely scenery which you were looking at during your journey for slowing you down. ALL are completely valid arguments if you accept that timing can be the cause of a crash.


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[TheDemonLord]

Timing can matter . A mate was seriously injured in a bike accident a while back. He crested the brow of a hill at the legal speed just as a plumber doing a site inspection pulled out of a drive. SCU attended , no charges were laid.
They believed that the rider was not speeding but had almost no time to react. They believed the driver started his turn while the visible road was clear.

If you can't complete the a move in the time that you have visibility to see, then you can't complete the move safely - Timing or not, pulling out when you can't properly see if it is clear or not seems like it should be illegal...

[Banditbandit]

Do you take corners with an advisory speed sign of 35kph at 100kph simply because 100kph is the speed limit?

Certainly !!!! Sometimes more than 100 ... The advisory speed posted on corners here (Bay of Plenty) is the "maximum comfortable speed for a passenger in the back seat". That has nothing whatsoever to do with road safety and driving to the conditions ...

When I come round a corner the only thing I worry about with speed is "will there be a cop coming round the bend ..."

Do I think such actions might get me killed ??? Fuck - I'm amazed I'm still alive anyway ... every day is a bonus ...

But I have listened to what you say .. and I can honestly say that I have not exceeded 200 klicks for oh .. a week at least ..so I am slowing down in my old age ..