Yet another ATGATT thread

[scumdog]

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Funny......
I run into same kind of cops....

Hoi, that's a harsh judgement of me!

[awayatc]

Hoi, that's a harsh judgement of me!

Scummy....
I never ran into you as a cop....
only as a person....

you are a great guy, and no doubt also a great cop.
unfortunately I don't run into coppers like you very often

[Berries]

Get a room.

[skippa1]

What a childish conclusion to make
Sort of speaks volumes of what goes on in your head but you're welcome to come findout for yourself

You started it

[jim.cox]

You started it

Actually I think Rastus did...

[eldog]

Yup, gotta get this one off my chest.

Finished work yesterday, heading home on the troll bike.

Left the motorway at Kaiapoi, and who passed me on overbridge at the top of the the offramp but a plonker on a Harley. Helmet, t-shirt, shorts, trainers. What's worse, his 14 year old daughter was on the pillion pad, dressed similarly.

Apparently it was okay, as he'd just washed the bike (it was spotless) and he was only just drying it out. He wasn't out on a "real" ride.

I gave him the "You make my ACC levies so high" speech, but really, I felt like beating him with a frozen fish. Honestly, what makes us think we are so fecking bulletproof.

Rant concludes.

And just to lighten up

I tend to agree with you RC

I think it was a good idea BUT like most things it is the way you LECTURED the subject

OK do the law enforcement stuff.

Keep the ATGATT stuff separate, take your Police hat off and make it a personal approach


Maybe say something like 'I would personally like to make a suggestion' - use your own words

Point out that there are idiots on the road and that being safe is a good idea.

Has the person thought about what would happen if there was an incident - what would happen to their daughter

Most fathers would go over the top to protect their daughters


Yep In my life I find that its the manner that things are approached that helps.
Being told to do something is way different to being asked or have you thought about xyz.

RC in your new job you can make those suggestions

I am sure most ER, police, fire dept, ambo's have seen the carnage at a mbike accident.
maybe you should carry a set of photos showing what can happen (I have my own)

get people to think about it, now we just need to make the gear look cool and people will wear it.

We ant bullet proof.

[swbarnett]

I think it was a good idea BUT like most things it is the way you LECTURED the subject

Do you pull people over in the street and tell them how to raise their kids?

What you're advocating is for every self-important safety zealot to "have a quite word" with complete strangers. This is neither socially acceptable nor desirable. I would get pretty pissed off if every Tom, Dick or Harriot started telling me how to live my life. That's all what RC did amounts to. And as far as the kid goes, it's a parent's right, within the law, to raise them however they see fit.

[eldog]

Do you pull people over in the street and tell them how to raise their kids?

What you're advocating is for every self-important safety zealot to "have a quite word" with complete strangers. This is neither socially acceptable nor desirable. I would get pretty pissed off if every Tom, Dick or Harriot started telling me how to live my life. That's all what RC did amounts to. And as far as the kid goes, it's a parent's right, within the law, to raise them however they see fit.

a quiet word is often all it takes, might make people think about their actions

I don't expect RC to run after each and every person, but if the opportunity arose then yes.
As a public servant RC has that ability to contact people.

I don't expect every T D or H to be able to perform that or even myself, but if someone asks my opinion I will give it freely.

Under those HD and gang patches are people too.

and You have every right to get pissed off or just ignore it, its your choice.

Yes and what would that parent think when some arsehole cuts in front of them and causes injury to be inflicted on that child. I know how I would feel as a parent.

Yes it might have been a pootle down the street but that's when shit happens

I know what its like to ride in shorts, jandals and no helmet - its cool

I know what happens in an accident got the Tee shirt.

We had 5 smokers here at work, when asked if I needed a smoke, I told them I had already seen the effects of Lung Cancer (just before she died) and I suggested they should think about it.
I never pushed them or held it over them, they asked my opinion and I gave it. I asked them how smoking affects their kids and finances

Now all 5 have given up.

I would never want to tell you how to live your life....... it just I see lots of shit that could have been easily prevented, but still the enjoyment could have been had (like riding)

A bit like you telling me about the roads out Tuakau way and how they are dangerous as they can cause loss of traction (and BigDog too)

I listened to your 'free advice' on that matter and avoided a rather a nasty mess, I then appreciated your 'suggestions'


A long time ago now before cell phones, I was going home one dark night, saw a bloke beating the shit out of a woman on the side of the road, she was helpless.
I stopped thought I could make a difference (I didn't know both sides of whatever their story was but it look brutal and one sided)
It wasn't to be - I was a lot smaller than him. I got in the car and drove off.
to this day I have often wondered what happened, so yeah once I would have stopped you and told you about safety, but still enjoyment.

Now days I just drive passed, I learnt my lesson.


I have heard of stories about how in yesteryear, in the country town how the local copper knew most of the people in the town or could spot them.
They would often be community involved somehow.
People have told me how if they got upto mischief (like speeding, being a larakin etc and they got caught, the copper would turn a blind eye but give you a stern warning)
They knew who the real bad buggers were. And they could tell you all about how to live your life etc and you would listen
Nowadays they mostly stick to the regs (I have met a few decent old school ones)

[swbarnett]

a quiet word is often all it takes, might make people think about their actions

Agreed. But I don't feel that I have the right to forcibly offer that advice. What RC did was to impose that advice, not offer it when the situation arose. Had the rider asked for it I would have no problem with it. Had they been talking in a pub then again, no problem. But to yank a legal rider off the road for a "quiet chat" is not on in my book.

The actual truth of the matter as regard the affects of a bin are irrelevant. It's the principle of not forcing your opinion down another's throat.

I don't expect RC to run after each and every person, but if the opportunity arose then yes.
As a public servant RC has that ability to contact people.

It is my understanding that RC had no cause to suspect that this rider was doing anything illegal. Therefore the opportunity did not arise. Had they been stopped for another reason then I would have no problem with RC imparting his opinion once the other matter had been dealt with.

Let's suppose for a moment that you lived in India and saw this:



Would you feel that the local copper should give them a lecture in the same way that RC did?


As for advice put up on an internet forum. This is put out there for others to read or not as they see fit. It's not like I stopped anyone on the road leading through Tuakau and gave them a lecture on the road conditions.

[Big Dog]

The other big difference was that the discussion had already been raised about tar bleeds. The ones on the way to Tuakau were raised more as an example of not being a good enough reason to leave the bike at home. This was not advice to not take the Tuakau road.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

The other big difference was that the discussion had already been raised about tar bleeds. The ones on the way to Tuakau. This was not advice to not take the Tuakau road.

I didnt read it as advice NOT to take the Tuakau road, but to be extra careful and vigilant when in that area.

The fact that I 'listened' to both you and SWB is what i think KB is for, for people to give advise to those who ask or inform others about something they think is important to know about.

[eldog]

Agreed. But I don't feel that I have the right to forcibly offer that advice. What RC did was to impose that advice, not offer it when the situation arose. Had the rider asked for it I would have no problem with it. Had they been talking in a pub then again, no problem. But to yank a legal rider off the road for a "quiet chat" is not on in my book.

The actual truth of the matter as regard the affects of a bin are irrelevant. It's the principle of not forcing your opinion down another's throat.


It is my understanding that RC had no cause to suspect that this rider was doing anything illegal. Therefore the opportunity did not arise. Had they been stopped for another reason then I would have no problem with RC imparting his opinion once the other matter had been dealt with.

Let's suppose for a moment that you lived in India and saw this:



Would you feel that the local copper should give them a lecture in the same way that RC did?


As for advice put up on an internet forum. This is put out there for others to read or not as they see fit. It's not like I stopped anyone on the road leading through Tuakau and gave them a lecture on the road conditions.

And how do you feel about the information displayed on cigarette packets?
about its effects. I have seen the very last stages of what lung cancer due to smoking can do.

Yes if I lived in India I would give them a lecture too. I would also know that it would fall on deaf ears. In the end only a major shift of a community in regards to life and self responcibility will alter how people live.
but this type of transport is the NORM in India. Life is cheap there, they think differently to most NZders I expect. People are desparate there to get jobs and everything must be cheap
hence short cuts so you expect high risk like the above photo.

If I was RC I would most lilkely quit too after seeing so much carnage and how a lot of it was preventable (WOF, drunk driving, dangerous driving) or could have been minimised (enforcement of seatbelt use) all things that RC most likely has lectured on. Arent these items I have just mentioned IMPOSED on us to make us safe? Initially all these types of things were optional, but because society deems it better (unlike India its a way of life) rules and penalties have been introduced to encourage actions/behaviours.

Undoubatly with the H&S act coming in, soon everyone will have to eventually ATGATT and good gear too.

Been to China, saw a mbike accident not nice - no gear, no one was worried they expected accidents.

Re Tuakau, OK you wrote on the KB forum (thankyou) but did you do anything else about it?

I reported 2 bad road hazards (1 was a bad tar bleed) to the AKL Transport and within 2 weeks they had been fixed.

Funny how riding a mbike had made me more attuned to road conditions than when I just drove a car.

[nzspokes]

It's the principle of not forcing your opinion down another's throat.

Once you have seen the results of a real crash your opinion will change. And as the I have to pay for the rehabilitation costs of people not wearing the correct gear through my ACC payments I reserve the right to force my opinion down other throats.

[jim.cox]

And as the I have to pay for the rehabilitation costs of people not wearing the correct gear through my ACC payments I reserve the right to force my opinion down other throats.

Another little Safety Nazi crawls out of the Internet

The riders gear complied with the legal requirements.

You can not expect or demand more than that.

Personally I prefer to ride with more gear than that - but that's MY choice.

[nzspokes]

Another little Safety Nazi crawls out of the Internet

Damn fucking straight. Guilty as charged. Rather my mates alive than dead.