Gene pool

[Zedder]

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...and look what turns up!:

Get a grip! From what I've seen on here, he's got more values and morals in his little finger than you'll ever have.

[Akzle]

but wait! there's more! the call to penis has been heard again:

Get a grip! From what I've seen on here, he's got more values and morals in his little finger than you'll ever have.

[husaberg]

Get a grip! From what I've seen on here, he's got more values and morals in his little finger than you'll ever have.

Conversely I think he is gripping it a little to tight.

but wait! there's more! the call to penis has been heard again:

You must be kidding.............
You are hardly a mater debater are you, then again on the other hand.
Small thing do amuse small minds.....so keep it coming .........
You are not exactly know for you sharp insightful comments are you ax.
More the blunt racist remarks.

[Zedder]

but wait! there's more! the call to penis has been heard again:

I bet your girlfriend the goat laaaaaaaughs at your jokes.

[husaberg]

I bet your girlfriend the goat laaaaaaaughs at your jokes.

When he hits her up for a quicky she even goes naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........

[Zedder]

When he hits her up for a quicky she even goes naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........

I'd start a pun run but I heard they get PDed now.

[husaberg]

I'd start a pun run but I heard they get PDed now.

So how many axels does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None ......................................Axels only screw goats.

[husaberg]

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...and look what turns up!:

Sorry can't hair what you are Saanen

[bogan]

OK. You are mixing two concepts here - race and culture. These are NOT the same thing.

By using the 15% figure as a cultural reference it is clear you are mixing the two; I however, am not, as I'm dealing with the broader concepts, unassigned to people.

First of all I use the term European-derived cultures to mean all those New Zealand cultures that have developed here (kiwi, Pākehā etc) but which take their major elements from the cultures of Europe. Such a term can also be used to describe the majority cultures of the USA, of Australia ...

So you make no distinction between what you claim are european derived cultures?

Classrooms are not full of a kiwi culture that is inclusive of Māori culture. All pedagogies are culturally-based - and linked to epistemologies. The pedagogies used in our classrooms are those of the European-derived cultures, not those of Māori culture. The epistemologies are those of the European-derived cultures, not those of Māori culture.

My goal is NOT racial segregation - My goal is the flourishing of ALL New Zealanders in an equitable society. That will not be achievable if we persist in mono-cultural education practices.

Our Māori students are forced to sit in classrooms with pedagogies that they do not relate to. We need classrooms using Māori pedagogies so our Māori students learn what they need to learn ...

The same goes for health provision. There are different approaches to health among the range of cultures that exist in New Zealand ... we need a wider range of health delivery options to cater for those cultural differences.

Is that too hard to understand??

The pedagogies used in our classrooms are Kiwi, as are the epistemologies. Kiwi culture includes elements from european, moari, asian, etc etc. Maori culture was certainly included in our classrooms when I went thorough, in the form of maori language, arts, history, events.

There is no room for an equitable society if you start segregating education and healthcare; it's just a massive backwards step.

Learning from books/lectures/supervision/homework may not be relateable for all; but perhaps being educated isn't either? I mean this is not a culture thing, just education; the demonstrably best way to educate a society; just looking at all the other cultures who do it the same way tells you there is nothing culture specific about it.

Again, state supplied healthcare is that which is demonstrably the best way to care for society; and there are still alternatives like naturopathy, homeopathy etc...

Your problem is your chosen personal culture (and I use this term because I know your views do not reflect that of the maori race or culture) is too exclusive to know what Kiwi culture actually is, since you define anything that is not specifically the Maori way of doing things as pakeha/kiwi/european culture. Here's a homework task for you, list the main differences between those three 'cultures'.

[Banditbandit]

By using the 15% figure as a cultural reference it is clear you are mixing the two; I however, am not, as I'm dealing with the broader concepts, unassigned to people.

Completely unsure where you get that figure from - I may have used it .. but what does it mean ?

So you make no distinction between what you claim are european derived cultures?

I make plenty of distinctions within cultures. there's the culture of a rugby club, the culture of a company boardroom, the culture of a city council meeting, the culture of a chess club ... all may fall into a wider cultural net .. such a Kiwi, Pākehā, Māori ...

The pedagogies used in our classrooms are Kiwi, as are the epistemologies. Kiwi culture includes elements from european, moari, asian, etc etc. Maori culture was certainly included in our classrooms when I went thorough, in the form of maori language, arts, history, events.

You are confusing subject knowledge ("in the form of maori language, arts, history, events.") with pedagogies and epistemologies.

There is no room for an equitable society if you start segregating education and healthcare; it's just a massive backwards step.

That's an assimilationist/colonizing position - you are imposing your cultural norms on people from other cultures ..

Learning from books/lectures/supervision/homework may not be relateable for all; but perhaps being educated isn't either? I mean this is not a culture thing, just education; the demonstrably best way to educate a society; just looking at all the other cultures who do it the same way tells you there is nothing culture specific about it.

Which clearly demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about ...

Again, state supplied healthcare is that which is demonstrably the best way to care for society; and there are still alternatives like naturopathy, homeopathy etc...

Again .. no idea ..

Your problem is your chosen personal culture (and I use this term because I know your views do not reflect that of the maori race or culture) is too exclusive to know what Kiwi culture actually is, since you define anything that is not specifically the Maori way of doing things as pakeha/kiwi/european culture. Here's a homework task for you, list the main differences between those three 'cultures'.

Oh .. a test .. what are the operating conditions? The marking criteria? How many words? In what context ??? Are you using Pākehā as a descriptive of political term? Can I express 'kiwi' culture through bird noises? Which European cultures am I allowed to use as examples?

You have no idea what you are talking about - I've lost interest.

[bogan]

Completely unsure where you get that figure from - I may have used it .. but what does it mean ?

I make plenty of distinctions within cultures. there's the culture of a rugby club, the culture of a company boardroom, the culture of a city council meeting, the culture of a chess club ... all may fall into a wider cultural net .. such a Kiwi, P�keh�, M�ori ...

You are confusing subject knowledge ("in the form of maori language, arts, history, events.") with pedagogies and epistemologies.

That's an assimilationist/colonizing position - you are imposing your cultural norms on people from other cultures ..

Which clearly demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about ...

Again .. no idea ..

Oh .. a test .. what are the operating conditions? The marking criteria? How many words? In what context ??? Are you using P�keh� as a descriptive of political term? Can I express 'kiwi' culture through bird noises? Which European cultures am I allowed to use as examples?

You have no idea what you are talking about - I've lost interest.

I get that figure from the 2013 census, as it relates to the race/ethnicity question. You used it, and unless you use it relating to (and ground within) a cultural sense, then it is you who continue to confuse race with culture.

No idea what I'm talking about? I have a great idea what I'm talking about, your unwillingness to even try to teach (is this your mothadology?) just confirms that. To put it another way, before the arrival of europeans, maori were illiterate, unindustrialised, and uncivilised. As the two cultures merged the flow of knowledge and learning was largely one way; is it any wonder that the flow of teaching methodologies were as well?

Wider cultural net is why pakeha culture does not exist; as it is defined by what is taken out; not by what is there.

No, I am pointing out that maori culture is taught in our schools; that it is not taught using maori methods (which you've yet to explain) is another point.

Wrong again, I am imposing our cultural norms on ourselves. We are all kiwis. Separatism is a slippery slope, who decides upon it? on what critera are people separated? How are checks put in place to make sure treatment is equitable between those separated? Where does it stop? these are questions to be answered before descending back down such a slope, not along the way.

What do you mean, that is a correct statement in itself; if you had any evidence these separatist healers worked you could show us. Instead you seek to belittle those who disagree with you.

No it was a simple clarification, not a test.

You've lost the argument as well as interest it would seem.

The other point I would like to make, mirroring the 15% you used above; you don't speak for those 15%, you don't speak for Maori culture, you speak only for yourself; thus the only way forward is to educate people to beleive as you do. Ironically, you lack the teaching skills to show even a smidgen of evidence to why your teaching methodologies are better

[Ocean1]

The other point I would like to make, mirroring the 15% you used above; you don't speak for those 15%, you don't speak for Maori culture, you speak only for yourself; thus the only way forward is to educate people to beleive as you do. Ironically, you lack the teaching skills to show even a smidgen of evidence to why your teaching methodologies are better

Nor does he speak for the 15% of revenue required to support that 15% exclusively Maori spend.

Equality isn't a concept restricted to subsidies.

[bogan]

Nor does he speak for the 15% of revenue required to support that 15% exclusively Maori spend.

Equality isn't a concept restricted to subsidies.

Maori culture spend remember; he keeps saying it isn't a race thing so we can just sign up too...

Which would mean our revenue should go to support it; and of course any maori (by race) who do not sign up wouldn't pay for it.

You know, if I didn't know beter I'd say it sounded exactly like private schooling or private healthcare

[Zedder]

Maori culture spend remember; he keeps saying it isn't a race thing so we can just sign up too...

Which would mean our revenue should go to support it; and of course any maori (by race) who do not sign up wouldn't pay for it.

You know, if I didn't know beter I'd say it sounded exactly like private schooling or private healthcare

Cool, so maybe I could change my username to Zeddernui and apply for gubbermint funding for motorcycling. It's a culture that needs to be kept going...

[bogan]

Cool, so maybe I could change my username to Zeddernui and apply for gubbermint funding for motorcycling. It's a culture that needs to be kept going...

Nah, you're missing the main point, who are you excluding and segregating with that idea, and how?