Cancer and the drug companies

[Katman]

If you are stoned and feel little or no pain (and if you do ... you don't care) is it better ... ??? ... and could it be described as "Treatment" ... ???????

I wouldn't describe that particular example as 'treatment'.

But if someone gains pain relief from cannabis I'd call it a healthier form of treatment than relying on a pharmaceutical drug to achieve the same effect.

[Edbear]

The placebo effect is evidence of the brain's ability to achieve healing that the vast majority of people have no understanding of.

But is the placebo effect an actual cure or a feeling?

I wouldn't describe that particular example it as 'treatment'.

But if someone gains pain relief from cannabis I'd call it a healthier form of treatment than relying on a pharmaceutical drug to achieve the same effect.

But that's what pharmaceutical drugs are. Take the active ingredient from nature and synthesise it in order to produce enough for the demand. Same with cannabis, but the problem is that most people who are pro cannabis for pain relief are those who are simply wanting to smoke it. They're not interested in pulling it apart and using the active ingredients as they won't get a high from it.

[FJRider]

I wouldn't describe that particular example it as 'treatment'.

Neither would I ...

But if someone gains pain relief from cannabis I'd call it a healthier form of treatment than relying on a pharmaceutical drug to achieve the same effect.

"Natural" drugs are better (in your opinion) than "Pharmaceutical" DRUGS ... right ... ??? WHY .. ??? ...


BUT ... if you are stoned ... how could you tell if they actually have pain relief. Or just too stoned to care ..

[Katman]

Same with cannabis, but the problem is that most people who are pro cannabis for pain relief are those who are simply wanting to smoke it. They're not interested in pulling it apart and using the active ingredients as they won't get a high from it.

And who are you (or anyone else) to say they don't have that right?

If a natural drug offers health benefits, the fact that it can also be used recreationally shouldn't even enter into the debate.

[bogan]

I think the important fact you're missing is that certain law reforms would have to take place before that would ever be allowed to happen.

Haven't they happened (some states of US) already?

Trouble is, people like you and bogan will immediately disregard (and attempt to discredit) any anecdotal evidence due to the lack of 'scientific process'.

Rightly so to the first bit, no need to the second. Still, anecdotal stuff is enough to kick in a 20 bung to a kickstarter as long as there are no ethical issues...

[FJRider]

And who are you (or anyone else) to say they don't have that right?

Currently ... it's use is illegal. So my guess is ..... MOST judges.

If a natural drug offers health benefits, the fact that it can also be used recreationally shouldn't even enter into the debate.

Are all Prescription drugs "Natural" or "Pharmaceutical" ... ?? and does it really matter .. ???

[Katman]

... ?? and does it really matter .. ???

To be perfectly honest man, as it's one of your posts, probably not.

[Edbear]

And who are you (or anyone else) to say they don't have that right?

If a natural drug offers health benefits, the fact that it can also be used recreationally shouldn't even enter into the debate.

If you have followed me enough you will know that my issue is that the stoners use medical argument to try to justify their habits. They couldn't care less about science and painkillers. It's called honesty. TPTB aren't fooled by their spurious arguments any more than we are.

[Katman]

If you have followed me enough you will know that my issue is that the stoners use medical argument to try to justify their habits. They couldn't care less about science and painkillers. It's called honesty.

Exactly.

Who the fuck are you to deny them that?

[Madness]

If you have followed me enough you will know that my issue is one of hypocrisy. I couldn't care less about the science behind cannabis and its potential use as a painkiller. It's called being a cunt. TPTB have me fooled with their spurious arguments, any more and I'd be wearing tinfoil.

[Zedder]

If you are stoned and feel little or no pain (and if you do ... you don't care) is it better ... ??? ... and could it be described as "Treatment" ... ???????

To them it is a treatment. Their goal is to relieve the pain.

[Edbear]

Exactly.

Who the fuck are you to deny them that?

Again, if you have followed me I have opined that everyone has the inalienable right to make their own choices. It's called free will. Unfortunately for many, they want to do so without responsibility or consequences. Life is not like that of course. Due to the consequences and my own personal aversion to losing control of my clear thinking capacity, I tend to agree with those who say cannabis use should not be legalised.

You, and especially the stoners themselves, may have the opposite view. However since I don't make the rules, it remains my opinion as opposed to their's. Nothing to swear about really...

[Edbear]

To them it is a treatment. Their goal is to relieve the pain.

No, their goal is to get stoned...

[Edbear]

I see madness is living up to his name, still.

[Madness]

...consequences.

What consequences? Other than persecution, of course.

...losing control of my clear thinking capacity.

A long-term Tramadol addiction must be a bitch for that, eh?