Life is cheap

**RDJ** · 23rd June 2015, 18:36

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...f-manslaughter

My sympathies to his family. The ferals who murdered him basically get off close to scot-free... Lots of excuses as always, no responsibility. The instigator is basically being set free to kill again. The accomplice will be out in a few years.

And as always, again, the justice system = the lawyers and the judges, lets down the victims in favour of feeling good about themselves because they feel sorry for the aggressors.

**Katman** · 23rd June 2015, 18:43

Originally Posted by RDJ

And as always, again, the justice system = the lawyers and the judges, lets down the victims in favour of feeling good about themselves because they feel sorry for the aggressors.

You seem to be forgetting that the ultimate decision came down to a jury of our peers.

The judge and the lawyers didn't hand out the verdict.

**JimO** · 23rd June 2015, 18:51

from what i have heard the boys parents should have been in the dock with them

**oldrider** · 23rd June 2015, 18:57

Originally Posted by Katman

You seem to be forgetting that the ultimate decision comes down to a jury of our peers.

The judge and the lawyers didn't hand out the verdict.

Judges and lawyers are like rabbit boards - they depend on their charges!

Didn't see much about the make-up of the jury this time though did we? - useless jury system IMHO!

**RDJ** · 23rd June 2015, 19:07

Originally Posted by Katman

You seem to be forgetting that the ultimate decision came down to a jury of our peers.

The judge and the lawyers didn't hand out the verdict.

I am not forgetting that at all. Juries take direction and cues from the judge & the lawyers. The consistent elements of the legal system are the police, the prosecutors, the judge and the lawyers. Juries come and go.

**RDJ** · 23rd June 2015, 19:09

I need a reality check. I am debating with Katman? what a waste of time and oxygen. I'll put it down to working a nightshift and move on. Thread, begone.

**Katman** · 23rd June 2015, 19:10

Originally Posted by RDJ

Juries come and go.

After discharging their duty of handing down a verdict.

**Katman** · 23rd June 2015, 19:21

Originally Posted by RDJ

I need a reality check. I am debating with Katman?

Hey, I'm just pointing out your mistakes.

You could learn something or you could sulk.

Your choice.

**mada** · 23rd June 2015, 19:38

The parents should be on trial.

Was always going to be hard for Police to prove intent to murder. Thoughts go out to the family, who would not really receive justice even if the sentence was longer.

West Auckland certainly a lot more violent than South these days and only appears to be getting worse.

**Katman** · 23rd June 2015, 19:39

Originally Posted by mada

Thoughts go out to the family, who would not really receive justice even if the sentence was longer.

What sentence?

**mada** · 23rd June 2015, 19:40

Originally Posted by Katman

What sentence?

If kid had been found guilty of murder opposed to manslaughter = longer stint in jail.

**caseye** · 23rd June 2015, 20:20

No mention of sentence yet!
Licence to kill?
Just be young,,abused from birth and oh yeah make sure your doctor is an apologist whitey.
Fuck sake.
We are allowing children to make more children without teaching the first ones right/wrong/ good/bad, what do we expect?
Drugs, Time, motive, Greed,access to weapons of almost any sort, Attitude(they've got it!, I/we want it) and worst of all, acceptance that this has happened in our communities and the perpetrators always get away scott free ( near enough) have all combined to make these little killers believe they're beyond our Bullshit Justice system.
Tell you what, odds are that from this day forward many more dairy owners will become adept at using whatever weapons they have at their disposal. Then what?
Dairy owner fights back, innocent, poor, abused kid slaughtered on the street by enraged ( rightfully so) shop owner?
Had that been the outcome in this case my money is firmly on the poor bloody dead guy going to jail for picking on a couple of innocent nice young lads from the hood, who were just a bit P'd out and really had no idea that fronting a dairy owner with a knife was going to end in tears because they're too young to know that!
Parents and killers, brick wall.
No more wasted time effort and taxpayers money going down the toilet for the next 60 years while we look after them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

**EJK** · 23rd June 2015, 20:40

Get caught at the airport with some drugs in your shoe sole and you get 15 - 18 years in jail.

Rob and murder someone at knife point and you get a jail free card.

New Zealand Justice #1.

**husaberg** · 23rd June 2015, 21:08

Originally Posted by Katman

You seem to be forgetting that the ultimate decision came down to a jury of our peers.

The judge and the lawyers didn't hand out the verdict.

Judges decide what evidence is admissible, lawyers decide what charges will be laid and what deals will be done.
Jurors weigh up the evidence that is presented to them with instructions from the Judge as to what to consider and what to put aside.
As RDJ said though, this is Katman logic does not need apply.