So Judith Collins thinks the police should be able to break the law now?

[TheDemonLord]

It's just what happens when you 'clamp down' and shit all over people for minor mistakes for to long, and then make a cock up yourself.

Under reaction if you ask me as despite whatever 'good intentions' they had we are so often told by them that excuses and/or ignorance of their rule book don't cut it.

Good point, well made.

[Banditbandit]

I see both sides of the argument - and I tend to side with the above - the Police should at all times adhere to the letter of the law. That said - issuing a 'search warrant' for a police owned asset (well, owned by the undercover agent) is a different ball game to planting evidence and framing someone - and although I conceded the slippery slope argument, I don't think that the uproar over this is inline with the amount of overstep made by the Police.

The significant issue was not the issuing of a fake search warrant - even if Crusher Collins makes that her main point ...

From here .. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11452950 This also includes Justice Collins full judgement.

A High Court judge suggested the police "probably" broke the law by faking a prosecution against an undercover officer to boost his credibility with a gang.

They did not just fake a search warrant, the police arrested and charged their undercover officer to "give him credibility" with the Red Devils ... Justice Collins said this would "undermine the public confidence in the criminal justice system".

The police have played fast and loose with the court system - manipulating it for their own ends.

Is it any wonder that the courts are fucked off with them ?

There is a seperate argument that goes along the lines that if the police are being hampered by the law when trying to enforce, then the law may need to be updated.

Yes, that's true. But any freeing up of the law will also free up the law for the non-police as well. A very slippery slope ..

[husaberg]

I just read a headline that said Judith Collins claims she was the victim of a smear campaign.

I was like fuck off, those camera lenses actually do with a shitload more Vaseline smeared on them when taking pics of her.

[Scuba_Steve]

Justice Collins said this would "undermine the public confidence in the criminal justice system".

I fail to see how this is possible... does anyone have "confidence" in this system anymore???

As for Police breaking the law... That's just "a day in the job" for NZ's biggest criminal gang & terrorist organisation (by definition)

[Banditbandit]

I fail to see how this is possible... does anyone have "confidence" in this system anymore???

I think you would find that the vast majority of sheeple out there do have confidence in the system ... misplaced confidence maybe but confidence none-the-less

[husaberg]

I think you would find that the vast majority of sheeple out there do have confidence in the system ... misplaced confidence maybe but confidence none-the-less

I think you missed the point were the crown dropped a lot of the charges because of warrants issues.

The crown did so why then is the faith misplaced?
Pretty sure that Gang the police were going after were not the boy scouts were they?

That said Collins is still a old ax that has no right to the honourable title.
Barely a step up from Banks or Pansy Wong imo.

[ellipsis]

...hmmm...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...d-with-assault

[Katman]

At least things aren't as fucked up here as they are over the ditch.

http://qldcops.blogspot.co.nz/

[marmel]

The worst thing about this mess is it has directed attention away from the bikie fuckwits that were yet again involved in drugs/firearms. "Just another bunch of motorcycle enthusiasts", that's the real lie.

[Banditbandit]

I think you missed the point were the crown dropped a lot of the charges because of warrants issues.

No I didn't - at least they got that bit right ...

The crown did so why then is the faith misplaced?

Because they tried it on with other charges .. and they took a long time to drop the false charges against their flea ... even after warrants for arrest where issued because of his non-appearance in court .. a clear abuse of the court processes.

Pretty sure that Gang the police were going after were not the boy scouts were they?

Not even close to boy scouts (girl scouts maybe, but those are different charges ...)

The worst thing about this mess is it has directed attention away from the bikie fuckwits that were yet again involved in drugs/firearms. "Just another bunch of motorcycle enthusiasts", that's the real lie.

I don't believe it has - I think the general public accepts that these are very naughty people ... but we can't have the police breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold and to act in accordance with.

I, [name], swear that I will faithfully and diligently serve Her (or His) Majesty [specify the name of the reigning Sovereign], Queen (or King) of New Zealand, her (or his) heirs and successors, without favour or affection, malice or ill-will. While a constable I will, to the best of my power, keep the peace and prevent offences against the peace, and will, to the best of my skill and knowledge, perform all the duties of the office of constable according to law. So help me God."

[husaberg]

Because they tried it on with other charges .. and they took a long time to drop the false charges against their flea ... even after warrants for arrest where issued because of his non-appearance in court .. a clear abuse of the court processes.
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Tried it on how so... I was suggesting they decided not to use the evidence obtained by these nefarious means in court.
As for abuse of the courts process well plenty of others do that play on the system as well. Not saying that excuses the police though but it is context.

[ellipsis]

context.

...more like spandex...

[husaberg]

...more like spandex...

in context
phrase of context
1.
considered together with the surrounding words or circumstances.
So dude its a Judith Collins thread there is to be no mention of spandex
Spandex

[ellipsis]

...was more of a take on 'pulling the wool', but they went with a more modern and swinging type of approach, as they would...therefore 'stretching the spandex'...

[husaberg]

...was more of a take on 'pulling the wool', but they went with a more modern and swinging type of approach, as they would...therefore 'stretching the spandex'...

Pulling the wool has a whole different meaning down your way though aye .......................