Cancer and the drug companies

[Katman]

Are you seriously suggesting legalisation wouldn't increase it useage?

No, I don't believe it would.

Has Portugal or any other country that has reformed it's law shown a sudden increase in users?

[RDJ]

Of course.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27...federal-survey

If you seriously expected anything different then you need to check your connections with the Real World.

[mashman]

If you are sincere, thank you for your good wishes, but am working overnight :-) and actually, I doubt that the current population of cannabis smokers was driving before I was born, I was born quite a long time ago. But I appreciate the thought if it was well intended. I try not to peddle fear, just reality. I know the line between reality and the fear is blurred in later generations!

I am sincere. As you know, people get hit by drunk and drugged drivers. The legal status doesn't really change that. lol@age... nah, you're just stuck in a different age I know you weren't trying to pedal fear, you're relying on professional evidence... so that's being taken care of for you As for the blur... nah, that's ours... "we" passed it on to those later generations, but that's another story. I see it as, as long as you're awake, then that 1 car on the road should miss you... but there ain't no guarantees. I do wish you safe though.

[RDJ]

I am sincere. As you know, people get hit by drunk and drugged drivers. The legal status doesn't really change that. lol@age... nah, you're just stuck in a different age I know you weren't trying to pedal fear, you're relying on professional evidence... so that's being taken care of for you As for the blur... nah, that's ours... "we" passed it on to those later generations, but that's another story. I see it as, as long as you're awake, then that 1 car on the road should miss you... but there ain't no guarantees. I do wish you safe though.

Thanks mashman. I'm riding to work with Clearwater driving lights on the front of the bike and a fluoro vest with reflective 2x nastygrams "Hang Up and Drive!" & "Can You See Me Now!" sewn on...

so I hope i am easily seen tonight!

[mashman]

Not in some circles, and remote interest for some is dependent on its legal state. Are you seriously suggesting legalisation wouldn't increase it useage?

True. No one is ever out unless there's a "shortage"... and if it were legal there would be plenty resources available to ensure supply. But how many really go without during a "shortage"? Statistically relevant or outliers? Either way, guessing gets us not closer to knowing.

[bogan]

No, I don't believe it would.

Has Portugal or any other country that has reformed it's law shown a sudden increase in users?

Colorado and Washington State have, around 20%.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27...federal-survey

[RDJ]

I'm wondering if Katman actually exists or if he is a Neuromancer-entity / William Gibson-like construct - surely no-one who can function in society receiving feedback from daily reality could be so consistently wrong...

[Katman]

Colorado and Washington State have, around 20%.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27...federal-survey

Or maybe you read this sentence 'When asked, roughly one out of every eight Colorado residents over the age of 12 reported using marijuana in the previous month' and jumped to a conclusion.

If one out of every eight Colorado residents reported using marijuana once it was made legal, when only one out of every ten residents admitted the same when it was illegal, it could simply be down to the fact that people are more prepared to be honest once they know they're not breaking the law.

[bogan]

Or maybe you read this sentence 'When asked, roughly one out of every eight Colorado residents over the age of 12 reported using marijuana in the previous month' and jumped to a conclusion.

If one out of every eight Colorado residents reported using marijuana once it was made legal, when only one out of every ten residents admitted the same when it was illegal, it could simply be the down to the fact that people are more prepared to be honest once they know they're not breaking the law.

Evidence is.



...always up for debate.

They could have ensured the survey results were anonymous; like pretty much every survey into illicit substance use ever.

But hey, I've put up some evidence for my point, you think you've found a hole in it, now follow through and find some evidence for that, and your point.

[Katman]

They could have ensured the survey results were anonymous; like pretty much every survey into illicit substance use ever.

Have you got extensive knowledge of how surveys into illicit substance use are carried out?

They might just have easily conducted a face to face street poll.

[husaberg]

Is this still the Cancer drug thread, Is recreational drugs now a cure for Cancer? or is it just a pulpit to preach drug reforms from under the guise of Medicinal

Don't worry its Katman so it will be pushing another agenda of his own

[bogan]

Have you got extensive knowledge of how surveys into illicit substance use are carried out?

They might just have easily conducted a face to face street poll.

No, but the NSDUH offers transparency on this issue.

http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/.../studies/35509

Specifically:

To protect the privacy of respondents, all variables that could be used to identify individuals have been encrypted or collapsed in the public use file. To further ensure respondent confidentiality, the data producer used data substitution and deletion of state identifiers and a subsample of records in the creation of the public use file.

Now as I said evidence is always up for discussion and I'd welcome evidence you can put forward to counter that which I have...

[Katman]

Now as I said evidence is always up for discussion and I'd welcome evidence you can put forward to counter that which I have...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...f-in-portugal/

[bogan]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...f-in-portugal/

Decline of drug abuse is a completely logical outcome of its legalisation, especially with the measures portugal could put in place due to its legalisation. However, drug abuse is not a measure of drug use; or are you suggesting the usage would have fallen by half as well?

The other point to note, is which demographic best matches our own, US or portugal?

[Katman]

Decline of drug abuse is a completely logical outcome of its legalisation, especially with the measures portugal could put in place due to its legalisation. However, drug abuse is not a measure of drug use; or are you suggesting the usage would have fallen by half as well?

Well I don't see anything suggesting that usage has increased.