The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[TheDemonLord]

If someone decided to make up a story and someone else decided to check that story out then the first person would either have to come clean and admit they had made the story up or change their story to "but it's not happening anymore".

If someone decided to make up a Conspiracy theory and someone else decided to check that story out, then the conspiracy theorist would either have to come clean and admit they had made the story up or keep ignoring the evidence that proves them wrong.

[Banditbandit]

then the conspiracy theorist would either have to admit they had made the story up or keep ignoring the evidence that proves them wrong.

That's what they do any way ..

[Katman]

If someone decided to make up a Conspiracy theory and someone else decided to check that story out, then the conspiracy theorist would either have to come clean and admit they had made the story up or keep ignoring the evidence that proves them wrong.

Only if the someone else was able to prove the theory wrong.

[Banditbandit]

Only if the someone else was able to prove the theory wrong.

Nobody's every been able to prove a conspiracy wrong to the satisfaction of the dingbats who hold that theory ..

[TheDemonLord]

Only if the someone else was able to prove the theory wrong.

Or (what actually happens) is the Conspiracy Theorist makes up ANOTHER conspiracy theory to claim that it is all a cover up, that millions of dollars are spent in fabricating the evidence by NASA, or the Jews, or the US government or whoever the hell is the target of the Conspiracy.

[Oscar]

Only if the someone else was able to prove the theory wrong.

Bullshit.
A theory should be based on accepted facts and general principles, not something you pulled out of your arse to be a big man on the interweb.
If your theory is not supported by rational evidence and/or facts, then Occam will apply.

You muppets have got very little actual fact, and you know it.

Furthermore, you can't just extrapolate a theory based on the stuff like what is presented here and say - That's our theory, we have posted no cogent evidence to support it, however you must disprove it otherwise it must be true.

Actually, I'm calling this my WankMuppets of KB Theory, and it's pretty easy to prove as the evidence is all over this thread. The corollary to this theory is that when challenged, the aforementioned WankMuppets will tell you to do your own research and/or post a completely unrelated question/statement in reply.

[Oscar]

This is from a Scientific American article by Caitlin Shore.

Insights into the Personalities of Conspiracy Theorists
Psychologists find that distrust of authority and low agreeableness are among factors underlying the willingness to believe

Conspiracy theories and scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Both apply a filter of logic to the complexity of the universe, thereby transforming randomness into reason. Yet these two theoretical breeds differ in important ways. Scientific theories, by definition, must be falsifiable. That is, they must make reliable predictions about the world; and if those predictions turn out to be incorrect, the theory can be declared false. Conspiracy theories, on the other hand, are tough to disprove. Their proponents can make the theories increasingly elaborate to accommodate new observations; and, ultimately, any information contradicting a conspiracy theory can be answered with, “Well sure, that’s what they want you to think.”
Despite their unfalsifiable nature, conspiracy theories attract significant followings. Not all theorists, it seems, hold their “truths” to the standards of conventional science. And scientists are beginning to understand the types of personalities that buy into more extreme and unlikely theories. Research reveals that conspiracy theorists tend to share a core set of traits, regardless of their conspiracy of choice. Low self-esteem, for example, may characterize both those who believe that Paul McCartney died in 1966 and those who think that Britain’s royal family consists of reptilian aliens.

[Katman]

Actually, I'm calling this my WankMuppets of KB Theory, and it's pretty easy to prove as the evidence is all over this thread. The corollary to this theory is that when challenged, the aforementioned WankMuppets will tell you to do your own research and/or post a completely unrelated question/statement in reply.

Dude, you've got WankMuppets in this thread posting photos of piles of emaciated bodies that are almost certainly the result of disease and starvation, but then said WankMuppets are trying to suggest that they are proof of millions being gassed.

So far the evidence for millions being gassed is decidedly lacking.

[husaberg]

Dude, you're got fuckwits in this thread
So far the evidence is decidedly lacking.

Au Contraire, Posts that ably display your own lack of intelligence are abundant.

And still no theories as to why a 1600 page, 3 volume report on the Concentration Camps by the International Red Cross, released in 1948, contains no references to homicidal gas chambers or to any systematic, deliberate attempt to exterminate an entire race of people.

Really this seems go against that assertion of yours
"They were penned into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labour, subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps without anyone being allowed
to intervene in those matters."

” Jews had been transformed into outcasts condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and SYSTEMATIC EXTERMINATION ”

Attachment 313658

I have underlined the bit in case you miss it again.

David Irving puts forward a stronger case than anything you've presented.

What about Irvings own words then

5.229 Irving accepted that with effect from October 1943 it has to be conceded that Hitler cannot have been ignorant of the extermination programme.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/...ent-05-01.html

Of course there is still that section in his book on Hitler where he acknowledges 60% of people that were sent to Auschwitz were liquidated on arrival as well.

David Irving (your source) is a gift that keeps on giving

5.115 In the text of Goebbels at p645 Irving writes that 1000 Berlin Jews and 4000 Riga Jews were shot on 30 November. According to Evans and Browning, the true figure was found in later reports to be at least twice that number and higher estimates of 13-15,000 were given in post-war trials. The Defendants are critical of Irving for minimising the number of those killed. They accept that he refers, albeit tucked away in a footnote, to a claim that 27,800 Jews were murdered but he there describes that claim as exaggerated. Evans testified that the figure of 27,800, which was reported by Einsatzgruppe A was probably justified.

In one particular case, we know that a trainload of 1030 Jews left Berlin on November 27, 1941, destined for Riga, Latvia. It’s recorded in the Speer diary and in the Goebbels diary. It arrived at a place called Skiatowa, eight kilometers outside Riga, on the morning of November 30, 1941, in the midst of a mass extermination. So these newly-arrived Jews were taken along with local Riga Jews, lined up along pits, and shot.http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n1p-2_Irving.html

What’s the explanation for Himmler’s words here? My theory is that he may have said to Hitler: “Mein Führer, I’ve got a bit of a problem housing these Jews we’re shipping out of Berlin. Why don’t we just bump them off?,” and Hitler probably answered: “Out of the question.” So Himmler sends a frantic message to Heydrich, saying they’re not to be liquidated. But it’s too late, they’re already dead – the whole trainload. We know this because we have the timetable of what happened that day.http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n1p-2_Irving.html

More chilling is another diary entry a few weeks later. On March 27, 1942, Goebbels dictates a lengthy passage about another SS document that had been submitted to him, and which appears to have been much uglier in its content. “Beginning with Lublin,” he states, “the Jews are now being deported eastward from the General Government [occupied Poland]. The procedure is pretty barbaric and one that beggars description, and there’s not much left of the Jews. Broadly speaking one can probably say that 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated, while only 40 percent can be put to work.”

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There has never been any real 'proof' offered that the Protocols are a forgery.

It was proven in court to be a forgery. Are you a bit slow on the uptake.
It is also been discredited by nearly 100% of the worlds historians, but shit Katman don't let that sway your conspiracy theory, it should only fuel it further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Trial.

[Oscar]

Dude, you're got fuckwits in this thread posting photos of piles of emaciated bodies that are almost certainly the result of disease and starvation, but suggesting that they are proof of millions being gassed.

So far the evidence for millions being gassed is decidedly lacking.

And yet the judiciaries of all the allies accepted that evidence. Prosecutors from the former Soviet Union, who would have liked nothing better than to expose the West in a conspiracy (and those from the USA who would have liked to embarrass the USSR), all agreed on these facts.

Your objections to dead bodies and the means of death is completely moot as there is an overwhelming tide of evidence to support the fact that millions of people were killed by gassing, shooting and deliberate starvation. Furthermore the argument over the exact number is easily explained by a) the sheer volume of people involved, b) the geographical area involved and c) the fact that there was a war going on. It would be a hell of lot stranger and suspicious if the accepted number was claimed to accurate to the last person (and would no doubt cause you and your fellows to scream conspiracy).

So far you have not presented one piece of actual evidence to contradict the accepted story.

[Katman]

So far you have not presented one piece of actual evidence to contradict the accepted story.

Well there's that little piece of evidence that, according to the International Red Cross, puts the total number of deaths at Concentration Camps at around 271,000.

[Oscar]

Well there's that little piece of evidence that, according to the International Red Cross, puts the total number of deaths at Concentration Camps at around 271,000.

And how many camps did the Red Cross inspect?
Do you think they inspected all of them?

The sheer weight of evidence from Nuremburg would seem to outweigh one document from the Red Cross.

[Katman]

And how many camps did the Red Cross inspect?
Do you think they inspected all of them?

Yes, as far as I'm aware they inspected them all.

[Katman]

The sheer weight of evidence from Nuremburg would seem to outweigh one document from the Red Cross.

You mean the evidence obtained under duress?

You mean the Nuremburg Trials that one of the judges slammed the integrity of?

(Those same trials where many of the witnesses for the Defense were not even permitted to give their evidence).

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, you've got WankMuppets in this thread posting photos of piles of emaciated bodies that are almost certainly the result of disease and starvation, but then said WankMuppets are trying to suggest that they are proof of millions being gassed.

So far the evidence for millions being gassed is decidedly lacking.

Keep setting up those Strawmen!

The piles of corpses in mass graves were to disprove the notion that it was impossible to cremate 6 million bodies in the time frame of the war - by pointing out that not all of the bodies were cremated.

But never mind - I am very keen to read your Autopsy report based on the photos - maybe you should sell your services to the Police to solve homocides just by looking at pictures of the deceased.