MotoGP 2015

[merv]

I, personally, struggle with the level of support Pedrosa gets from Honda.

Maybe his old man is a significant shareholder in Repsol.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't wish to derail a civilised discussion, but Stoner in his first MotoGP season had a close second place which could have been a win, and three fourth place finishes on a satellite bike with B grade-spec tyres, and his frequent crashes were largely a result of him refusing to accept that he couldn't be on the pace despite the limitations of his equipment. Hardly stellar doesn't cover it, really

On pole first race possibly? (can't be fucked looking). Second (just piped on the last corner?) in his second race? Yep...pretty av...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seriously.

Peace.

Lol. I'm beginning to think you have a ginga fetish mate!!!!!

[ellipsis]

...there is a country mile between the top four and wherever fifth picks up, usually at one third through the race...one was written off and one just came back from physical limbo...from fifth back is fucking good racing...can money and a top constructor put a rider up with the top four?... Dovi, the mental eyetie, one of the brits...when the top four are not the top four, it wont really matter...the others at the moment, can't get near them...

[pritch]

... and one year later Stoner became the 2007 champion.

On a factory bike, not a satellite bike. Invalid comparison.

There are only a few factory seats, even less that are competitive. The only good one that is currently even remotely likely to become available is Pedrosa's. While Marquez is winning Honda probably don't feel in much of a hurry to change. So the satellite riders get yet another year in the cheap seats but it's hardly their fault.

[Crasherfromwayback]

On a factory bike, not a satellite bike. Invalid comparison.

There are only a few factory seats, even less that are competitive. The only good one that is currently even remotely likely to become available is Pedrosa's. While Marquez is winning Honda probably don't feel in much of a hurry to change. So the satellite riders get yet another year in the cheap seats but it's hardly their fault.

What about Melandri and Elias? Anyway, I think Honda seem perfectly happy to have Dani riding around taking points of the Yamaha boys to help MM win the title.

Tell us more 'bout ya ginga fetish you old perv!!??

[merv]

Ginga, I thought he had no hair

[Autech]

I, personally, struggle with the level of support Pedrosa gets from Honda.

I don't, the man has NEARLY won the Motogp Champ multiple times and 4 times in other classes (I think), only bad luck and injuries have stopped him really. He also beat Stoner a fair few times in the feeder classes so it's not like he hasn't earned his ride.

That said I think with MM on the other Honda his best chance was the first year when MM was fresh to Motogp, which turned into one hell of a duel between George, Dani and Marc. But just because his team mate is the golden boy does that mean they should shift him aside for an untested rider who may or may not be able to replicate his solid podium performances.

Good example was spies I guess, they threw him on a factory bike aaaannnddd....

There are only a few factory seats, even less that are competitive. The only good one that is currently even remotely likely to become available is Pedrosa's. While Marquez is winning Honda probably don't feel in much of a hurry to change. So the satellite riders get yet another year in the cheap seats but it's hardly their fault.

And when Marquez isn't winning or is off pace Dani has the ability to stay on the bike and run for the win keeping Repsol Honda all over the camera... Makes sense to me. Lets face it who would Honda put on the bike from the Honda steed? Miller, Crutchlow, Redding?
I highly doubt any of them could match Pedrosa even when he's not on form.

[pritch]

Lets face it who would Honda put on the bike from the Honda steed? Miller, Crutchlow, Redding?
I highly doubt any of them could match Pedrosa even when he's not on form.

Which is probably why we won't see a change - yet.

Bradders won't be heart broken 'cause some of us don't like him but I'm sure his job has its compensations.

[trev]

I don't, the man has NEARLY won the Motogp Champ multiple times .

Fuck me - the guy has been on arguably the best bike for 9 years now & he hasn't really looked liking winning the w.c. Nobody has consistently been in a better position than him over the last 9 years to win the championship. He looks like a likable guy but he has never looked like a champion.

[James Deuce]

Fuck me - the guy has been on arguably the best bike for 9 years now & he hasn't really looked liking winning the w.c. Nobody has consistently been in a better position than him over the last 9 years to win the championship. He looks like a likable guy but he has never looked like a champion.

Thank you, saved me the effort. He's like Randy Mamola without the sense of humour.

[Autech]

Fuck me - the guy has been on arguably the best bike for 9 years now & he hasn't really looked liking winning the w.c. Nobody has consistently been in a better position than him over the last 9 years to win the championship. He looks like a likable guy but he has never looked like a champion.

Hasn't really looked like winning? Wonder what championships you have been watching? Seems there is a short memory in motogp, I think Rossi summed it up once before (or someone) you are only as good as your last race. It hasn't always been the best bike either. But as I've stated before, I'm his #1 fan so blinded perhaps? Great to see him getting off the line finally in the last two races. In saying that I think his best chances at winning the championship may have been and gone

Had a thought on Rossi and his qualifying whilst in a shower this morning (yes I'm that guy). I remember on a doco I watched that Rossi's heart rate during a race was well lower than someone else they monitored, I think he peaked at 120bpm from memory.
Now never being in a top racers shoes I will go out on a limb here and say that a qualifying lap takes some serious adrenaline to pull off. Getting out there and going the max for a full lap would really get the heart pumping, adrenaline surging etc. So I wonder if his cool calm racing style isn't suited to getting out there and hammering out a fast lap right off the bat when the tyres are new and hot?

[James Deuce]

Hasn't really looked like winning? Wonder what championships you have been watching? Seems there is a short memory in motogp, I think Rossi summed it up once before (or someone) you are only as good as your last race. It hasn't always been the best bike either. But as I've stated before, I'm his #1 fan so blinded perhaps? Great to see him getting off the line finally in the last two races. In saying that I think his best chances at winning the championship may have been and gone

No, he's never looked like winning the premier class championship. He wins races but doesn't stitch seasons together.

Everything we say has to be taken with the following statement in mind:

Anybody riding a factory bike in the premier class is orders of magnitude more capable on a bike on a race track than I'll ever be.

Anybody riding in MotoGP and qualifying, no matter what bike, even if they bought the ride, would still make club racers on equivalent machinery look like they were standing still.

None of that changes the fact that Pedrosa hasn't been a championship contender since he left the junior formulae. He had the excuse of being a midget. Then Marquez turned up and put paid to that argument a little.

[roogazza]

Quote :And when Marquez isn't winning or is off pace Dani has the ability to stay on the bike and run for the win keeping Repsol Honda all over the camera... Makes sense to me. Lets face it who would Honda put on the bike from the Honda steed? Miller, Crutchlow, Redding?
I highly doubt any of them could match Pedrosa even when he's not on form.Quote.


Pedro is there cos the experts know his level. Miller,? Well maybe one day.
Lets face it, even in local NZ racing you get to know who the 'hotshoes' are.
The GP teams know who's there and who's coming up.
They'll be looking at Moto2, Rins,Zarco etc.

[pritch]

No, he's never looked like winning the premier class championship. He wins races but doesn't stitch seasons together.

Pedro has only normally been able to win a couple of races a year. Even when Honda designed the bike around him. The notable exception to that was the latter stages of the 2012 season when all Lorenzo had to do to win the title was follow Pedro around; so that was what he did.

Whilst under the tutelage of Puig, Pedrosa appeared to be a surly little twat. Out from under Puig he has seemed relaxed and at times funny. In that Jack Miller inteview I posted a link to yesterday Miller specifically, and repeatedly, mentions Pedrosa as being a really good bloke.