MNZ new drug and alcohol rule

[Shaun Harris]

to be fair some of the flaggies spots are different at bike and car meetings due to run off requirements, what's good for one may be dangerous for the others it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
I've enjoyed flagging when i've done it, yes there are other jobs that have more variety but they still need to be done. i was on crash crew for a season and was bored shitless, you couldn't go anywhere and soemtimes never had a pick up all day.
I started track days in nz and i was lucky enough to have surplus marshalls which i moved around during the day. it can be a tedious job but an essential one so i made it with a bit of variety for my team. what's going to happen at hampton downs when they extend the track, same number of riders spread further so less action and 50% or more track marshalls will be needed.....

And it will possibly get even more DULL for the crash pick up crew, as half the field will not be racing due to being UNDER SUSPISION of using some thing, well sidecars and classics and pre what ever era

[nzspokes]

to be fair some of the flaggies spots are different at bike and car meetings due to run off requirements, what's good for one may be dangerous for the others it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
I've enjoyed flagging when i've done it, yes there are other jobs that have more variety but they still need to be done. i was on crash crew for a season and was bored shitless, you couldn't go anywhere and soemtimes never had a pick up all day.
I started track days in nz and i was lucky enough to have surplus marshalls which i moved around during the day. it can be a tedious job but an essential one so i made it with a bit of variety for my team. what's going to happen at hampton downs when they extend the track, same number of riders spread further so less action and 50% or more track marshalls will be needed.....

I did it for a few years for cars at events like the Nissan Mobil 500 etc. At least in those there was some action. Our point got hit a few times by the HQ guys trying to fit 4 cars in a hole that was for 3....

Hampton for there own days seem to employ some locals which seems like a good idea. For normal track days I think some decent shelters would be a great thing. And maybe some of the riders can pop over after the event and thank them.

[Shaun Harris]

Is this Ruling even Legal in this country? Great way to scare away future riders. Why would mum and dad support there sons or daughters racing, if Suspision only was going to have them sent home. The Medics at the track could have some test kits with them! And please do not suggest that the medics may tamper with the test kits. There has to be a way of getting this as a sensible fair rule. I 100% agree with the being free of all products from a riders system, but it is a knee jerk reaction over a well known users unfortunate incident and really only a PC move. There must be a Lawyer in the racing scene that could awnser the question?

[swarfie]

[QUOTE=sidecar bob;1130891459] buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.
QUOTE]

Oh the irony... someone we know?

[nodrog:Me]

Just sniff petrol, problem solved.

[Shaun Harris]

Legal Fact!


"Any private organisation can impose rules about the use of drugs and alcohol. This
is the same as in the area of employment contracts, where there"


So to protect and potential Dirty Back door actions for the good of the sport, I propose that MEDICAL crew at the race tracks need to carry TEST kits with them. This is the only way to STOP any silly actions potentially by some. As I am NOT an MNZ member still, is any one on here prepared to take my suggestion re medical people having test kits to the appropriate people involved in the rulings?

This IS actually For the GOOD of all involved currently, and for the GOOD of the future Racers in New Zealand.

[old rig]

[QUOTE=swarfie;1130892210]

buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.
QUOTE]

Oh the irony... someone we know?

Flying! !!!!!!! anybody this weekend

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[Grumph]

Legal Fact!


"Any private organisation can impose rules about the use of drugs and alcohol. This
is the same as in the area of employment contracts, where there"


So to protect and potential Dirty Back door actions for the good of the sport, I propose that MEDICAL crew at the race tracks need to carry TEST kits with them. This is the only way to STOP any silly actions potentially by some. As I am NOT an MNZ member still, is any one on here prepared to take my suggestion re medical people having test kits to the appropriate people involved in the rulings?

This IS actually For the GOOD of all involved currently, and for the GOOD of the future Racers in New Zealand.

While I agree that it's not workable as is...Don't for christs sake ask St John or any other VOLOUNTARY organisation to get involved. We all know people who would sue - and that would mean losing the goodwill of those we rely on.
Never mind saying it's for the good of the sport, losing the present good relationship with the volounteer medics and first aiders would be a disaster.
The only way to do it right IMO is to get the drug testing pros in at random meetings and do it as totally random testing - including those the rider nominates as crew.

Has anyone approached MNZ and asked how they propose it will be done ? Or are "operational matters" still being left to the relevant commissioner's discretion ? Starting to look like the usual disconnect between what the board wants put in and the guys who have to operate it...

[Drew]

While I agree that it's not workable as is...Don't for christs sake ask St John or any other VOLOUNTARY organisation to get involved. We all know people who would sue - and that would mean losing the goodwill of those we rely on.
Never mind saying it's for the good of the sport, losing the present good relationship with the volounteer medics and first aiders would be a disaster.
The only way to do it right IMO is to get the drug testing pros in at random meetings and do it as totally random testing - including those the rider nominates as crew.

Has anyone approached MNZ and asked how they propose it will be done ? Or are "operational matters" still being left to the relevant commissioner's discretion ? Starting to look like the usual disconnect between what the board wants put in and the guys who have to operate it...

Paramedics would tell ya to get fucked anyway. Drug testers need to be certified and trained. St John's wouldn't pay for their staff to become trained, or pay them more to be certed.

Out source it is the only way to go. And it aint cheep to have them come to site. $30 to go get a piss test in WA at their offices. Results the same day.

[FROSTY:Me]

I agree with the sentiment behind the rule change.
What I don't agree with is the application of the word "suspicion"
I get their point--A guy rolls into sighn in with bloodshot eyes and the wiff of Dak on him its fairly likely he's had a toke or two.
Equally he stinks of beer.
I would think no one wants to be on the track with that person.
But they need to be TESTED.

Potential scenario. ( not--but I can dream)
Ive got off my backside and raced every round of the nationals in superbike
Theres one round left and Im tied for points with Andrew Stroud (leave me alone its my dream)
So stroudy being the Villain he is raises the suspicion that I might have had a vino or two last night.
Instant suspension for that meeting and sure as eggs even with proof off no booze in the system I can't get the lost points from that round.

The ONLY fair answer at least for booze is an on site test before the meeting starts.

[ellipsis]

...I beat Andrew to a seat at a prize giving do once...I had only two beers before that, 'cos they cost too much to have three...he didn't protest that one...just smiled like he does...but he did have a glazed eye look...(sic)...SUSPISION...

[Grumph]

I agree with the sentiment behind the rule change.
What I don't agree with is the application of the word "suspicion"
I get their point--A guy rolls into sighn in with bloodshot eyes and the wiff of Dak on him its fairly likely he's had a toke or two.
Equally he stinks of beer.
I would think no one wants to be on the track with that person.
But they need to be TESTED.

The ONLY fair answer at least for booze is an on site test before the meeting starts.

Trouble is, it's not just booze and drugs...I sold my Manx to a guy who proceeded to crash it 4 times in 3 meetings....Turned out, he was doing shift work and invariably came off a 12hr night shift then straight to the track...perfectly legal but......

[mossy1200]

Trouble is, it's not just booze and drugs...I sold my Manx to a guy who proceeded to crash it 4 times in 3 meetings....Turned out, he was doing shift work and invariably came off a 12hr night shift then straight to the track...perfectly legal but......

Introduction of a basic pre race skills test involving road cones and a pit bike required. Any rider fails then they are drunk or stoned. Any rider falls asleep in the waiting line for their turn is sleep deprived.

[sidecar bob]

[QUOTE=swarfie;1130892210]

buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.
QUOTE]

Oh the irony... someone we know?

What kind of cock smoking cottaging faggot would even consider buying one of those unreliable half sorted over rated piles of shit?

[nodrog:Me]

Introduction of a basic pre race skills test involving road cones and a pit bike required. Any rider fails then they are drunk or stoned. Any rider falls asleep in the waiting line for their turn is sleep deprived.

But you're not allowed pit bikes.