MotoGP 2015

[husaberg]

LOl. I know exactly what an H1R is thanks mate.

Ya must have forgot when you did ya original reply then aye Pete
The one where you said it wasn't like a 500GP bike

Which is a far cry from a 500, as is an H1R. All of the names I listed honed their craft and made their names on big four strokes.

Psus I told you Rainey raced a works 250GP bike in Europe in 1984 for Roberts

If it was a Neville Doyle prepped H1R green meanie it was likely closer to 100HP
Note that RG500 that he raced a few years were not so much more than that 120 at most

[J.A.W.]

Dude, a Moto Guzzi V8 did 180 mph back in the day. So fucking what? And I know how good Ginger Malloy is, I've raced against him.

Yeah, did you get 180 mph out of your 250? Why not? Too slow through the corners?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete a H1R is a factory 500 GP bike.
Tis what Ginger used to race.

Depending on the year they looked like one of these.
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Think the first one there may well be an H2R mate.

[husaberg]

Think the first one there may well be an H2R mate.

It looks like one but isn't
its a H1Rw

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya must have forgot when you did ya original reply then aye Pete
The one where you said it wasn't like a 500GP bike
If it was a Neville Doyle prepped H1R green meanie it was likely closer to 100HP
Note that RG500 that he raced a few years were not so much more than that 120 at most

I said it was nothing like an 80's GP bike mate, and it ain't. An RS250 like I raced prob had more power, and was certainly lighter...so yeah...nothing like an 80's 500 sorry. But nice try. I think you may be forgetting that I cut my teeth in a Kawasaki dealership first up eh? So yep...knew what an H1R was before you prob knew how to ride a bike.

[J.A.W.]

Hard to tell with the fairing on, the later ones were water-cooled, Mick Grant won the `75 Senior TT on one..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, did you get 180 mph out of your 250?

Didn't stay on it long enough to get there.

[husaberg]

I said it was nothing like an 80's GP bike mate, and it ain't. An RS250 like I raced prob had more power, and was certainly lighter...so yeah...nothing like an 80's 500 sorry. But nice try. I think you may be forgetting that I cut my teeth in a Kawasaki dealership first up eh? So yep...knew what an H1R was before you prob knew how to ride a bike.

I realise that. I also realise ya f-ed that one up.
You are talking about a mid seventies GP bike vs a early 80 GP bike.
Croz was racing a RG500 it was a few years ahead of a H1r but not night and day.

[J.A.W.]

I said it was nothing like an 80's GP bike mate, and it ain't. An RS250 like I raced prob had more power, and was certainly lighter...so yeah...nothing like an 80's 500 sorry. But nice try. I think you may be forgetting that I cut my teeth in a Kawasaki dealership first up eh? So yep...knew what an H1R was before you prob knew how to ride a bike.

Doubt it.. esp judging by how much you've shown - you don't know - in the last few posts..

Those early piston-port `70s 500s with crappy suspension & rubber were much peakier/harder to ride fast than the later `80s - on bikes..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Psus I told you Rainey raced a works 250GP bike in Europe in 1984 for Roberts

If it was a Neville Doyle prepped H1R green meanie it was likely closer to 100HP
Note that RG500 that he raced a few years were not so much more than that 120 at most

Go back and read post #1863. Then get back to me.

[husaberg]

Hard to tell with the fairing on, the later ones were water-cooled, Mick Grant won the `75 Senior TT on one..

The pipe routing plus the picture is titled H1rW

Go back and read post #1863. Then get back to me.

is it this one

Incorrect. Croz, Gardner, Lawson, Rainey, KS etc etc all raced bike four strokes well before they did 500's.

Rainey for sure as he did a year for Roberts about 84, don't think Swantze or Lawson did though.
Gobert did the transition from MX to world superbike winner in one year.
Shame was an idiot.

Pete, Rainey had a year racing 250 GP bikes for Kenny Roberts in 1984
He then went back to the US for the next 3 or so years.

Plus I told you Rainey raced a works 250GP bike in Europe in 1984 for Roberts

[Crasherfromwayback]

Doubt it.. esp judging by how much you've shown - you don't know - in the last few posts..

Those early piston-port `70s 500s with crappy suspension & rubber were much peakier/harder to ride fast than the later `80s - on bikes..

Really? How many H1's and H2's have you ridden? And I have no doubt the H1R was as peaky as fuck to squeeze enough HP out of it...but that's not really the point of this argument is it now? Do as I said to our other mate. Go read post # 1863 again. You're clinging to a very fine thread.

[Grumph]

Bloody squabbling children....Can i advance the theory that, yes, most if not all of the riders mentioned had 2 stroke experience on GP style bikes prior to making their names on big 4 strokes...I'd argue that this taught them the importance of line - and how to keep a motor in the power band.

Then when exposed to the big grunters of the 1000cc F1 era the wider powerbands plus relatively limited traction, taught them how to rear wheel steer...

So when they reached the evolved 500 fours they were capable of wringing the thing's neck...

Scwantz is an exception as i believe he went from TZ to 750 superbike AMA four strokes - GSX rather than GSXR....But he's simply an example of talent.

[J.A.W.]

Go back and read post #1863. Then get back to me.

Yeah, so.. do list all those who've won WSBK races & then gone on to win G.P.s..

There are heaps more who've done it - the other way around..

[J.A.W.]

Really? How many H1's and H2's have you ridden? And I have no doubt the H1R was as peaky as fuck to squeeze enough HP out of it...but that's not really the point of this argument is it now? Do as I said to our other mate. Go read post # 1863 again. You're clinging to a very fine thread.

Heaps, check my avatar..