When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

**Maha** · 31st October 2015, 17:59

Also read a story this morning (Herald lift out thing) about a triple murder (a family) in Devonport during the mid 1800's. The man charged with the murder was sentenced to death and two weeks after the ruling it happened. He was taken from the cells in Auckland and ferried across to Dovenport where a scaffold type structure had been erected on at the site of the murders, he sat on the coffin awaiting his instruction to step up. Once the noose was around his neck his last words were '' can you pull the knot tighter''.

**caseye** · 31st October 2015, 18:00

Originally Posted by 98tls

We havent been serious about it for decades.Worked this morning and whilst having a cuppa read an article re some fucking asian that had a thing going on facebook or similar re driving drunk people home all good i guess until the piece of shit picks up some young girl so wasted she joes out in the back seat so the monkey whips out her tits starts taking pics then decides to have a go at shagging her,she wakes up and does the runner...cops catch up with him he goes to court and gets fined $1000 and loses the ability to drive his car for 3 months.

Would imagine the girls father would like to give the judge a smack in the mouth.

Nope, more than a smack in the mouth, more like cut his cock off.
Oh and the asians one too!

**98tls** · 31st October 2015, 18:05

Originally Posted by caseye

Nope, more than a smack in the mouth, more like cut his cock off.
Oh and the asians one too!

Well fucked up eh,thing is whats it make the rest of us i guess...i read it shook my head went back to work then bought it up later in the day on a fucking motorcycle forum

Things are the way they are because as a collective we are fucking lazy and put up with it,bit like watching Hoskings and the fat tart with the cackle....watch it cause i am to lazy to change the channel.

**husaberg** · 31st October 2015, 19:25

Originally Posted by 98tls

Well fucked up eh,thing is whats it make the rest of us i guess...i read it shook my head went back to work then bought it up later in the day on a fucking motorcycle forum

Things are the way they are because as a collective we are fucking lazy and put up with it,bit like watching Hoskings and the fat tart with the cackle....watch it cause i am to lazy to change the channel.

Hosking is a skinny prick and a nong but the "Fat Tart" as you call her.I seen her the other day and said heck shes beefed up a shit load and the mrs said is way heavier than she ever was due to medication from some sort of gall bladder and stomach /intestinal disease.
that's what was in the trashy weeklies

Personally I think Its nice to see someone other than rake thin skinny ass bitches on TV for a change.

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**98tls** · 31st October 2015, 19:33

Originally Posted by husaberg

Hosking is a skinny prick and a nong but the "Fat Tart" as you call her.I seen her the other day and said heck shes beefed up a shit load and the mrs said is way heavier than she ever was due to medication from some sort of gall bladder and stomach /intestinal disease.
that's what was in the trashy weeklies

Personally I think Its nice to see someone other than rake thin skinny ass bitches on TV for a change.

Good for you fella and no doubt shes a really nice person.

**husaberg** · 31st October 2015, 20:14

Originally Posted by 98tls

Good for you fella and no doubt shes a really nice person.

No idea i'm not sure if her being fatter essentially means gains in personality.

Al I know is ever time I used to see this weather girl I used to think FFS eat a pie would you.

**Macktheknife** · 3rd November 2015, 07:01

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

... time and time again the Death Penalty has shown to not be a detterant.

I'm pretty sure that's not possible.
The recidivism rate is the lowest of all other types of punishment. lol

But I agree with you on a couple of your suggestions for categories.

**TheDemonLord** · 3rd November 2015, 08:11

Originally Posted by Macktheknife

I'm pretty sure that's not possible.
The recidivism rate is the lowest of all other types of punishment. lol

I laffed about the Recidivism - but by Deterrent - no criminal thinks 'If I commit XYZ crime, I could be put to death', so it doesn't work as a deterrent (generally the people that commit these crimes either don't think of the consequences, or believe that they won't get caught, therefore won't suffer the punishment)

**Akzle** · 3rd November 2015, 09:13

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I laffed about the Recidivism - but by Deterrent - no criminal thinks 'If I commit XYZ crime, I could be put to death', so it doesn't work as a deterrent (generally the people that commit these crimes either don't think of the consequences, or believe that they won't get caught, therefore won't suffer the punishment)

hows crime in the arablands?

**RDJ** · 3rd November 2015, 09:17

acknowledging the risk of cherry picking research studies to match one's opinion, I have long found this study to be persuasive

Nov. 2, 2007 article "Capital Punishment Works" in the Wall Street Journal:

"...[O]ur recent research shows that each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year... The study examined the relationship between the number of executions and the number of murders in the U.S. for the 26-year period from 1979 to 2004, using data from publicly available FBI sources... There seems to be an obvious negative correlation in that when executions increase, murders decrease, and when executions decrease, murders increase...

In the early 1980s, the return of the death penalty was associated with a drop in the number of murders. In the mid-to-late 1980s, when the number of executions stabilized at about 20 per year, the number of murders increased. Throughout the 1990s, our society increased the number of executions, and the number of murders plummeted. Since 2001, there has been a decline in executions and an increase in murders.

It is possible that this correlated relationship could be mere coincidence, so we did a regression analysis on the 26-year relationship. The association was significant at the .00005 level, which meant the odds against the pattern being simply a random happening are about 18,000 to one. Further analysis revealed that each execution seems to be associated with 71 fewer murders in the year the execution took place...

We know that, for whatever reason, there is a simple but dramatic relationship between the number of executions carried out and a corresponding reduction in the number of murders...”

That said:

1. there is not an insignificant number of people legally executed and later found to be innocent
2. these people are usually convicted on the basis of circumstantial and/or forensic evidence
3. a minority wrongly confess, no doubt due to pressures we never hear about

Also, when we bear in mind the innocent people wrongly executed, we equally should bear in mind the innocent people murdered by a first-time murderer left alive. For example, in the UK, 30 convicted murderers released between 1997 to 2007, killed again.

A dead murderer is also deterred from wreaking more physical violence by being relocated to the astral plane...

Seems to me one way not to get it wrong and kill any innocents would be to reserve the death penalty for incontestable and publicly witnessed killings such as the Boston bombers, the Beltway snipers, the Oklahoma city bomber, home invaders videotaped in the act, and such ilk.

**RDJ** · 3rd November 2015, 09:26

Originally Posted by Akzle

hows crime in the arablands?

Countries rigidly adhering to Islamic law have extremely high crime rates - but not by their definition; example, the incidence of rape in rigidly Islamic societies is extraordinarily high (and Muslim migrants have now imported that to places like Malmö, Sweden). But when you need four male witnesses to a rape to get any hope of a conviction, and when the victimized woman or girl is often subsequently killed for "honor", you get a very low reported complaint and conviction rate. In some cases, revenge is taken extrajudicially and female relatives of the rapist are in turn raped. this further acts as a deterrent to reporting the crime.

Also in such countries, the law allows guilty murderers to pay a blood price ('diyyah') to the relatives of the dead victim*, in which case the murderer walks free and so you don't see that reflected in statistics either. (for this to work the victim has to be a male believer. if the victim is an infidel or female, often no problem, often no crime was found to have been committed under that code of law.

It is true that so-called minor crimes such as stealing goods are considerably less in incidence because of the drastic physical punishments meted out after being caught thieving. Theft still occurs, but on a considerably greater scale under the guise of religion.