Global warming?

[Lightbulb]

To a very small degree, yes, but it doesn't become less acidic thereby - Carbonic acid doesn't evaporate back into the air, and at that point it's releasing it's CO2 into an already increasing CO2 environment....catch 22. Oceanic acidification is fact.
Climate heats the ocean using the sun to do so - that being the main heating source for the planet, so, pedantically speaking, you are right.

Here's a graph of Temperature, CO2 levels, Sea levels, over the last 450,000 yrs. Notice how they all tend to follow each other.
Now....look at the end of the CO2 graph as it races past 400 ppm!
Implications on temps and sea level rise? (without the bullshit that CO2 doesn't force temperatures - unless you've changed the laws of physics and observability - it does, no argument, end of story! And it has been established that CO2 increases happen before temperature rises in nearly all cases, not after.)
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If you go back far enough, you will find co2 levels more than 10X what we have now. It needed to be for the the prolific plant growth required to feed the dinosaurs. Despite the apparent current seemingly high co2 value, (which it is not really) green houses, introduce more co2 to increase the growth rate of produce. It must be economical for them to be doing it otherwise they would not be. Chemical pollution is our real threat to ourselves and we are too dumb to see it as a collective. Climate change is real, happens every year, I call it seasons. winter is cold and summer is hot. They BS on about small temp changes, yet the swing from summer to winter is over 30 deg C if not more in other places. All the plant life and animals have not died yet. But don't worry about the man made crap chemicals we are creating and inventing and then being forced to consume. That is the real issue.
Butter from cows id bad for you, here have some margarine, one chemical chain away from being plastic. Insects won't eat it, but it is better for your health, the same BS as global warming or any other scam to make money from decent honest hard working people.
Neil

[yokel]

To a very small degree, yes, but it doesn't become less acidic thereby - Carbonic acid doesn't evaporate back into the air, and at that point it's releasing it's CO2 into an already increasing CO2 environment....catch 22. Oceanic acidification is fact.
Climate heats the ocean using the sun to do so - that being the main heating source for the planet, so, pedantically speaking, you are right.

Here's a graph of Temperature, CO2 levels, Sea levels, over the last 450,000 yrs. Notice how they all tend to follow each other.
Now....look at the end of the CO2 graph as it races past 400 ppm!
Implications on temps and sea level rise? (without the bullshit that CO2 doesn't force temperatures - unless you've changed the laws of physics and observability - it does, no argument, end of story! And it has been established that CO2 increases happen before temperature rises in nearly all cases, not after.)
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what you believe to be established is in fact disestablished.
also the most abundant green house gas is water vapour, so what are we going to about water vapour emissions??

the theory behind the effects of CO2 is wrong because of clouds, good old clouds.

[carbonhed]

And it has been established that CO2 increases happen before temperature rises in nearly all cases, not after.

No they don't. CO2 increases lag temperature rises.

[puddytat]

I better learn to swim.

[Woodman]

This thread is the reason why the human race is doomed.

[oldrider]

This thread is the reason why the human race is doomed.

OK then seize the moment - delete this thread and save mankind! -

[Katman]

OK then seize the moment - delete this thread and save mankind! -

I wonder if bogan is ready to suck moderator cock again yet?

(He might be able to get it as far as PD at least).

[bogan]

I wonder if bogan is ready to suck moderator cock again yet?

(He might be able to get it as far as PD at least).

Ironically, it's effort like yours that will get it there...















...again.

So I'd just get to suck it for fun.

[Katman]

So I'd just get to suck it for fun.

Well you've always made me laugh.

[SPman]

No they don't. CO2 increases lag temperature rises.

Keep up with the reputable scientific research matey - not the pseudoscience and disinformation blogs that keep repeating variations of all the same discredited bullshit over and over and over, as if repeating it often enough, makes it true

Climate change is real, happens every year, I call it seasons

That's weather - not climate

green houses, introduce more co2 to increase the growth rate of produce. It must be economical for them to be doing it otherwise they would not be.

Greenhouses have extra water and nutrients to make up for the increased metabolic rates......http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm

also the most abundant green house gas is water vapour, so what are we going to about water vapour emissions

When skeptics use this argument, they are trying to imply that an increase in CO2 isn't a major problem. If CO2 isn't as powerful as water vapor, which there's already a lot of, adding a little more CO2 couldn't be that bad, right? What this argument misses is the fact that water vapor creates what scientists call a 'positive feedback loop' in the atmosphere — making any temperature changes larger than they would be otherwise.
How does this work? The amount of water vapor in the atmosphere exists in direct relation to the temperature. If you increase the temperature, more water evaporates and becomes vapor, and vice versa. So when something else causes a temperature increase (such as extra CO2 from fossil fuels), more water evaporates. Then, since water vapor is a greenhouse gas, this additional water vapor causes the temperature to go up even further—a positive feedback.
How much does water vapor amplify CO2 warming? Studies show that water vapor feedback roughly doubles the amount of warming caused by CO2. So if there is a 1°C change caused by CO2, the water vapor will cause the temperature to go up another 1°C. When other feedback loops are included, the total warming from a potential 1°C change caused by CO2 is, in reality, as much as 3°C.
The other factor to consider is that water is evaporated from the land and sea and falls as rain or snow all the time. Thus the amount held in the atmosphere as water vapour varies greatly in just hours and days as result of the prevailing weather in any location. So even though water vapour is the greatest greenhouse gas, it is relatively short-lived. On the other hand, CO2 is removed from the air by natural geological-scale processes and these take a long time to work. Consequently CO2 stays in our atmosphere for years and even centuries. A small additional amount has a much more long-term effect.

So skeptics are right in saying that water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas. What they don't mention is that the water vapor feedback loop actually makes temperature changes caused by CO2 even bigger.

All energy that arrives from the sun is eventually radiated back out to space. The question is at what temperature does the Earth need to be before energy out equals energy in?
If the Earth were to suddenly cool (let's say for a magical reason, hypothetically), the Earth would for a time absorb more energy than it outputs, until it reaches a certain higher temperature at which point the Earth would stop warming and energy in would equal energy out. This is Earth's Energy balance.

If there were no greenhouse gases at all (including H20) that point of energy balance would be a much cooler Earth that the one we know now (about 33 degrees cooler on average). This is because the greenhouse effect causes the Earth to retain more heat that it would otherwise.
It thus follows that if there are more greenhouse gases the Earth's new stable point with respect to temperature (energy balance) would be higher than it is now, and the Earth would start to warm until it reaches a new equilibrium. And this is exactly what is happening now.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/EnergyBalance/page6.php

So we've apparently increased the CO2 to a whopping 0.039%. nice try child

and your point is.....? We'll drop .5 gm of cyanide into your next Macdonalds thickshake, shall we - it's such a small amount......can't harm you much..........

[bogan]

To say nothing of the acidification of the oceans or the reduction in the large animal poop cycle which plays a huge part in spreading nutrients, to just 8% on land and 5% in the sea when compared to 15,000 years ago. Because we've extinctified lots of large animal species or reduced them to almost unsustainable levels. So where people turn up, bad things happen.

Yeh, but a counterpoint on the issue of nutrient spreading.

Chemtrails!

It's almost like things change over time. Lets not confuse change, with doom eh!

[carbonhed]

Keep up with the reputable scientific research matey - not the pseudoscience and disinformation blogs that keep repeating variations of all the same discredited bullshit over and over and over, as if repeating it often enough, makes it true

Link?

I'd be surprised if you have one.

[puddytat]

I'd bee even more surprised if you had one.....

[yokel]

and your point is.....? We'll drop .5 gm of cyanide into your next Macdonalds thickshake, shall we - it's such a small amount......can't harm you much..........

You are a fucking moron.

Science right now is a joke.

[carbonhed]

I'd bee even more surprised if you had one.....

Meh... if it's this one from April 2012 that lasted about a week before it was torn to shreds... I think I probably do.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10915.html