Thinking of getting vaccinated?

**RDJ** · 28th December 2015, 10:07

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**mashman** · 28th December 2015, 15:08

Originally Posted by RDJ

other than being a hermit, those at risk can't avoid the risk because the unvaccinated are unidentified.... Those most at risk are the immunocompromised, whether because of disease or chemotherapy, and they can die quickly and badly from these preventable diseases. Not much personal choice if an unvaccinated Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kate-wit wanders into the ER or the ward (or the rest home, or the mall) where these patients are.

All of the above holds for vaccinated persons also. Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you aren't infectious. Take your concerns to johnny boy key and I'm sure he'll be more than glad to legislate your way.

**Ocean1** · 28th December 2015, 15:23

Originally Posted by mashman

All of the above holds for vaccinated persons also. Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you aren't infectious. Take your concerns to johnny boy key and I'm sure he'll be more than glad to legislate your way.

Go stand in the queue for a tattoo with the rest of the fuckwits.

**RDJ** · 28th December 2015, 15:27

Originally Posted by mashman

All of the above holds for vaccinated persons also.

No, all of the above does not hold for vaccinated persons also.

**mashman** · 28th December 2015, 15:40

Originally Posted by RDJ

No, all of the above does not hold for vaccinated persons also.

Sounds like bullshit to me given that the CDC/WHO don't categorically state that vaccinated persons cannot be infected/infectious. They do say, however, that if symptoms do occur in the vaccinated, that they're likely going to have a mild case. So what's a less than mild case? or a less than less than mild case etc...? It's called, still being infectious but highly unlikely to display symptoms. Are there no grades of infection? Only None, Mild and Holy shit you're going to die?

**bogan** · 28th December 2015, 15:55

Originally Posted by mashman

Sounds like bullshit to me given that the CDC/WHO don't categorically state that vaccinated persons cannot be infected/infectious. They do say, however, that if symptoms do occur in the vaccinated, that they're likely going to have a mild case. So what's a less than mild case? or a less than less than mild case etc...? It's called, still being infectious but highly unlikely to display symptoms. Are there no grades of infection? Only None, Mild and Holy shit you're going to die?

It's that tricky trick probability thing again isn't it? To put it in your perspective; vaccinated people have a really slim 50/50 chance of contracting shit, while un~~washed~~vaccinated plebs have a significantly 50/50 chance of contracting shit.

**mashman** · 28th December 2015, 16:00

Originally Posted by bogan

It's that tricky trick probability thing again isn't it? To put it in your perspective; vaccinated people have a really slim 50/50 chance of contracting shit, while un~~washed~~vaccinated plebs have a significantly 50/50 chance of contracting shit.

Probability

... Awesome depth perception bro

**RDJ** · 28th December 2015, 17:19

Originally Posted by mashman

Probability

... Awesome depth perception bro

amongst other misconceptions, your original statement where you wanted to invoke the CDC information, completely ignores the benefits of herd immunity. Some vaccinated people do indeed get ill, but less virulently, are less contagious (if at all), and for a shorter period; but most of all, the number of those able to spread disease and those potentially able to contract the disease when brought as close to zero does inhibit the spread of the disease and can if enough people are vaccinated, be eliminated. See, smallpox and polio (and hopefully in the future hepatitis B) as the examples of achieved and impending success.

Disagreeing with the facts of epidemiology is awkward.

**Katman** · 28th December 2015, 17:22

Originally Posted by RDJ

Disagreeing with the facts of epidemiology is awkward.

I don't think anyone has suggested there has never been any benifit from vaccines.

These days though, they want to vaccinate for everything and you good little citizens line up in droves.

**mashman** · 28th December 2015, 17:49

Originally Posted by RDJ

amongst other misconceptions, your original statement where you wanted to invoke the CDC information, completely ignores the benefits of herd immunity. Some vaccinated people do indeed get ill, but less virulently, are less contagious (if at all), and for a shorter period; but most of all, the number of those able to spread disease and those potentially able to contract the disease when brought as close to zero does inhibit the spread of the disease and can if enough people are vaccinated, be eliminated. See, smallpox and polio (and hopefully in the future hepatitis B) as the examples of achieved and impending success.

I found plenty of evidence for herd immunity. My statement stands. Surely the CDC/WHO state otherwise? If only to prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by RDJ

Disagreeing with the facts of epidemiology is awkward.

I've no doubt. Calling them facts is always funny though

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**TheDemonLord** · 28th December 2015, 19:04

Originally Posted by Katman

I don't think anyone has suggested there has never been any benifit from vaccines.

These days though, they want to vaccinate for everything and you good little citizens line up in droves.

Okay then - I'll indulge you - can you define the exact point when there stopped being benefits to Vaccines and can you present any evidence to support your conclusion for there being a point in time when Vaccines stopped being beneficial.

**mashman** · 28th December 2015, 19:37

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Okay then - I'll indulge you - can you define the exact point when there stopped being benefits to Vaccines and can you present any evidence to support your conclusion for there being a point in time when Vaccines stopped being beneficial.

I reckon you might have polished Katman off with that one. Death by laughter.