Cancer and the drug companies

[Katman]

And a youtube video to keep bogan happy.

[Katman]

And the highly amusing part is that the likes of TheDemonLard will immediately accuse anyone who dares to question the vaccination process of simply wanting to see thousands of babies die.

That sort of argument goes way beyond fucking moronic.

[husaberg]

And the highly amusing part is that the likes of TheDemonLard will immediately accuse anyone who dares to question the vaccination process of simply wanting to see thousands of babies die.

That sort of argument goes way beyond fucking moronic.

Unlike the thousands of children's deaths and misery this guy is likely responsible for.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/0...tism.vaccines/

Then again you don't have kids do you.

[Katman]

Unlike the thousands of children's deaths and misery this guy is likely responsible for.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/0...tism.vaccines/

From one of the links on the previous page.

Because Big Pharma sometimes outright owns and largely controls today’s most prominent medical journals, spreading false propaganda, disinformation and lies about the so called miracle effects of a given drug is yet another common practice that is malevolent to the core. 98% of the advertising revenue of medical journals is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. Shoddy and false claims based on shoddy and false research all controlled by Big Pharma often get published in so called reputable journals giving the green light to questionable drugs that are either ineffective or worse yet even harmful. Yet they regularly pass peer and FDA muster with rave reviews.

Then again you don't have kids do you.

And if I did I'd be asking a whole lot more questions of the whole vaccination process.

[bogan]

And a youtube video to keep bogan happy.

I prefer this one...

[husaberg]

From one of the links on the previous page.

Because Big Pharma sometimes outright owns and largely controls today’s most prominent medical journals, spreading false propaganda, disinformation and lies about the so called miracle effects of a given drug is yet another common practice that is malevolent to the core. 98% of the advertising revenue of medical journals is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. Shoddy and false claims based on shoddy and false research all controlled by Big Pharma often get published in so called reputable journals giving the green light to questionable drugs that are either ineffective or worse yet even harmful. Yet they regularly pass peer and FDA muster with rave reviews.

According to BMJ, Wakefield received more than 435,000 pounds ($674,000) from the families lawyers. Godlee said the study shows that of the 12 cases Wakefield examined in his paper, five showed developmental problems before receiving the MMR vaccine and three never had autism at all.
Lets see which claim is subjective and which one is based on facts................

And if I did I'd be asking a whole lot more questions of the whole vaccination process.

That's because you are a pathetic moron, it pleases me greatly to think your genes along with yokels will not be added to the gene pool.

[Katman]

That's because you are a pathetic moron, it pleases me greatly to think your genes will not be added further to the gene pool.

Better to be labelled a pathetic moron than be labelled willfully ignorant of what was being pumped into your child though.

[husaberg]

I would far prefer to be labelled a pathetic moron than be labelled willfully ignorant of what was being pumped into my child.

Firstly there is ample evidence to label you as a pathetic moron and you are also often labelled as wilfully ignorant because of your inability to assess what is facts and what is subjective biased hearsay, regardless. So what's your actual point?
You cherry pick points to quote the exact same way as you select out only information that suits your own agenda.

[Katman]

So what's your actual point.

That the pharmaceutical industry is rife with greed and corruption and is probably far more bothered by a 3 billion dollar fine than by any number of deaths that their fraudulent practices have been responsible for.

(But hey, 3 billion wasn't even a tenth of the profits that were made).

[husaberg]

That the pharmaceutical industry is rife with greed and corruption and is probably far more bothered by a 3 billion dollar fine than by any number of deaths that their fraudulent practices have been responsible for.

(But hey, 3 billion wasn't even a tenth of the profits that were made).

As I said in the post above
With a cherry on top

[awa355]

So, what did you two guys give each other for Christmas??

Actually you both make some good points, amidst the handbagging.

[bogan]

Actually you both make some good points.

Citation needed.

[husaberg]

So, what did you two guys give each other for Christmas??

Actually you both make some good points, amidst the handbagging.

He gave me quite a few laughs over his blatant hypocrisy and conspiracy blindness, I guess maybe I should learn to be more tolerant of his religious beliefs. Seeing its was just Xmas
As for katflam well He begged heaps of dudes to suck his cock as far as I am a aware no dude is quite that desperate (other than maybe Yokel)

[Katman]

According to BMJ....

https://theamericanscholar.org/flack.../#.VocvcrZ97Dc

[husaberg]

https://theamericanscholar.org/flack.../#.VocvcrZ97Dc

http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm
Undisclosed financial intersts

Before Deer’s inquiries, Wakefield had appeared to all the world to be an independent, if controversial, researcher. Tall and square-headed, with hooded eyes and a booming voice, he was the son of doctors (a neurologist and a family practitioner), had grown up in Bath, a prosperous west-of-England spa town, and joined the Royal Free in November 1988 after training in Toronto, Canada. His demeanour was languid - he was privately educated - and, born in 1956, he was a lingering example of the presumed honour of the upper middle class.

But Deer's investigation - nominated in February 2011 for two British Press Awards - discovered that, while Wakefield held himself out to be a dispassionate scientist, two years before the Lancet paper was published - and before any of the 12 children were even referred to the hospital - he had been hired to attack MMR by a lawyer, Richard Barr: a jobbing solicitor in the small eastern English town of King's Lynn, who hoped to raise a speculative class action lawsuit against drug companies which manufactured the triple shot.Unlike expert witnesses, who give professional advice and opinions, Wakefield had negotiated an unprecedented contract with Barr, then aged 48, to conduct clinical and scientific research. The goal was to find evidence of what the two men claimed to be a "new syndrome", intended to be the centrepiece of (later failed) litigation on behalf of an eventual 1,600 British families, recruited through media stories. This publicly undisclosed role for Wakefield created the grossest conflict of interest, and the exposure of it by Deer, in February 2004, led to public uproar in Britain, the retraction of the Lancet report's conclusions section, and, from July 2007 to May 2010, the longest-ever professional misconduct hearing by the UK's General Medical Council (GMC).

Andrew Wakefield is both revered and reviled. To a small group of parents, he’s a hero who won’t back down from his assertion that the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine can cause autism.

To most, however, he’s the man who authored a fraudulent study that has been refuted many times and was retracted by the journal that published it, a man whose views carry dangerous consequences for all of us. They will tell you that the former doctor—stripped of his license in 2010 by the U.K.’s General Medical Council for ethical violations and failure to disclose potentially competing financial interests—has derailed public confidence in vaccination programs that were safely eradicating serious and highly contagious diseases.

To most, however, he’s the man who authored a fraudulent study that has been refuted many times and was retracted by the journal that published it, a man whose views carry dangerous consequences for all of us. They will tell you that the former doctor—stripped of his license in 2010 by the U.K.’s General Medical Council for ethical violations and failure to disclose potentially competing financial interests—has derailed public confidence in vaccination programs that were safely eradicating serious and highly contagious diseases.

In the wake of the most recent measles outbreak in the U.S.—which began at the Disneyland theme park in Southern California in late December 2014 and has since spread to 17 states and infected more than 100 people—Wakefield defends his views about the measles vaccine. “The responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of those that have been involved in vaccine policymaking, which is totally inadequate and bordering on dangerous,” he says. “The government has only themselves to blame for this problem.”

http://shotofprevention.com/tag/andrew-wakefield/

A new study, which investigated data from the National Immunization Surveys published between 1995 and 2006, confirms what public health advocates already suspected. As the Medical Daily blog reported yesterday, the study determined that “Childhood vaccinations decreased in response to the fears surrounding autism risks.” It’s remarkable that even today, despite the existence of widespread research that fails to show any link between autism and vaccinations, this false belief continues to persist.

Many of the parents I’ve spoken to over the years don’t even realize that the premise for these fears stemmed from a small, but well publicized study conducted by Andrew Wakefield and published in The Lancet in 1998. Since then, many researchers tried to verify Wakefield’s claims, only to discover that their research proved the opposite. Study after study failed to show vaccinations were in any way contributing to the incidence of autism. Then in 2010, after evidence of tampering and undeclared conflicts of interest, Andrew Wakefield was ultimately stripped of his medical license due to the seriousness of his professional misconduct and The Lancet retracted the fraudulent study that first sparked the suggestion of a vaccine/autism link.
But years later the damage is proving extremely difficult to undo. There are still many people who cling to Wakefield’s study as proof of a correlation. The latest analysis from the soon-to-be-released study of immunization surveys has confirmed that autism fears have had a negative impact on immunization rates. The study also presents a few other interesting observations:
•More children of college-educated mothers were not vaccinated than children of non-college educated mothers, with noticeable spikes in 2003, 2004 and 2006.
•While the controversy centered on the MMR vaccination, the autism fear had an impact on other vaccinations, to include polio and the combination vaccine to prevent diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis.

http://shotofprevention.com/tag/andrew-wakefield/
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ld-mmr-vaccine