Cancer and the drug companies

[Katman]

Incorrect who produced the report, who didn't admit there was a conflict of interest.
Who falsified and misrepresented the data.
#the answer to all of these is ANDREW WAKEFIELD

But if he was instructed and paid by a rival pharmaceutical company to produce a fraudulent report then it would be the pharmaceutical company that was ultimately responsible.

It's not rocket surgery.

[husaberg]

But if he was instructed and paid by a rival pharmaceutical company to produce a fraudulent report then it would be the pharmaceutical company that was ultimately responsible.

It's not rocket surgery.

Yet more ifs and buts.......its all up to who completed the false report and covered up his conflicts of interest.
He's perfectly entitled to do research for whoever he chooses.
Unless you can prove a gun was held to his head he committed the false reports of his own volition and omitted and attempted to cover up his obvious conflict of interest.

[Katman]

Yet more ifs and buts.......its all up to who completed the false report and covered up his conflicts of interest.
He's perfectly entitled to do research for whoever he chooses.
Unless you can prove a gun was held to his head he committed the false reports of his own volition and omitted and attempted to cover up his obvious conflict of interest.

I understand that you've talked yourself into a corner that you can't talk your way out of but if the story is indeed as you suggest, then it would be just another indication of the level of corruption that is obviously so endemic in the pharmaceutical industry.

[husaberg]

I understand that you've talked yourself into a corner that you can't talk your way out of but if the story is indeed as you suggest, then it would be just another indication of the level of corruption that is obviously so endemic in the pharmaceutical industry.

There is no corner, it is pretty clear who presented the false data, then failed to declare a vested interest then tried to feed and prifit of it while declearing themselves to be a speaker of the truth being persecuted.
its only your conspiracy blindness that prevents you seeing that.

who produced the report, who didn't admit there was a conflict of interest.
Who falsified and misrepresented the data.
#the answer to all of these is ANDREW WAKEFIELD

[Katman]

I don't know how much simpler I can explain this.

If Andrew Wakefield was paid by a rival pharmaceutical company to produce a fraudulent report then his agenda was possibly nothing more than gaining wealth.

But if he was paid by a rival pharmaceutical company to produce a fraudulent report it would be the rival pharmaceutical company who's agenda it was to discredit the MMR vaccine.

(Then again, there's always the chance you could be wrong about him being on the payroll of a rival pharmaceutical company though).

[husaberg]

I don't know how much simpler I can explain this.

If Andrew Wakefield was paid by a rival pharmaceutical company to produce a fraudulent report then his agenda was possibly nothing more than gaining wealth.

And if he was paid by a rival pharmaceutical company to produce a fraudulent report it would be the rival pharmaceutical company who's agenda it was to discredit the MMR vaccine.

(Of course, there's always the chance you could be wrong about him being on the payroll of a rival pharmaceutical company though).

No it was proven he had already been previously employed and acted on behalf of an drug company
it was also proven he had benefited significantly by becoming part of a lawsuit against a different drug company.
the rest of what you are saying is again a supposition,,,,,, if if if if.......
No one here (other than you) has said he was paid to produce this report, or to fabricate any of this by a rival drug company.
if you have proof (that he did or was) feel free to present it, as I am sure a lot of people would like to see it.
What has been proven is that.
He never declared the conflict of being formally employed by a company that might profit from this independent report
Also that he had distorted data.
He had profited from this in public profile and in funding out of this fabricated data.
Also with these ethical breaches that he had undermined the publics confidence in vaccination programs and this had caused great needless pain misery and deaths.

[Katman]

No one here (other than you) has said he was paid to produce this report, or to fabricate any of this by a rival drug company.

You have a very short memory.

lets see...... who was he secretly on the payroll for?

He was probably on the payroll of another pharmaceutical company who wanted to advance their own version of the vaccines.

Wow Einstein... did you miss the 5 or 6 occasions I have already posted that.

[husaberg]

You have a very short memory.

You are a new kind of retarded Demonlord was right are you aware of what the word secretly refers too.

I will post what immediately followed what you had selectly quoted
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130934234
This publicly undisclosed role for Wakefield created the grossest conflict of interest, and the exposure of it by Deer, in February 2004, led to public uproar in Britain, the retraction of the Lancet report's conclusions section, and, from July 2007 to May 2010, the longest-ever professional misconduct hearing by the UK's General Medical Council (GMC).

Under the Einstein quip yopu edited out this
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130934226

but there's the rub he presented the false information not the drug company. he was meant to be an independent researcher that why he was thrown out of the medical profession and the research was removed it proves the system works.
WHat its also proves is no matter what is said afterwards people like you will still try and feed of it as if it was true.

Did he declare any of this the answer is no. that's where his proven ethical breach was.You are too busy trying to prove it was all BIG Brothers fault that you can't see reality

[Katman]

You are a new kind of retarded Demonlord was right are you aware of what the word refers to and secretly.
Did he declare any of this the answere is no. that's where his proven ethical breach was.You are too busy trying to prove it was all BIG Brothers fault that you can't see reality

Dude, you're becoming flustered.

Take a few deep breaths to compose yourself and then try typing something coherent.

[husaberg]

Dude, you're becoming flustered.

Take a few deep breaths to compose yourself and then try typing something coherent.

If I was the one flustered why is it you always throwing the fucking cunts and fuck you wanker Rep comments, They don't sound like a guy who is winning more like a sore sad pathetic troll conspiracy theorist loser.

Fuck off you retarded cunt.

Fuck off shitforbrains.

Fuck you're a moron.

Fuck off shitforbrains.

What a fucking imbecile.

What a fucking moron.

Fuck off shit-for-brains.

I think I'd rather be thought of as a narcissist than a fucking retard.

Sounds like Hitler was pretty much right all along.

You just keep getting dumber and fucking dumber.

Don't put words in my mouth cuntface.

You truly are a raving irrational fuckwit.

Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

Your 7 year old probably has more intelligence than you.

[Katman]

If I was the one flustered why is it you always throwing the fucking cunts and fuck you wanker Rep comments, They don't sound like a guy who is winning more like a sore sad pathetic troll conspiracy theorist loser.

I fear that snippet of extreme ironing may well finish Akzle off.

[husaberg]

I fear that snippet of extreme ironing may well finish Akzle off.

Is that better than the way he normally finishes off in you ass then?

[Madness]

There's only a fortnight's worth there. What a fucking amateur.

[RDJ]

I shall simply observe that anybody who thinks the majority of health care professionals, cure researchers, and therapeutic drug scientists, are out to mislead you, defraud you, and consign you to an early and avoidable death, are very very sad people indeed.

[Katman]

I shall simply observe that anybody who thinks the majority of health care professionals, cure researchers, and therapeutic drug scientists, are out to mislead you, defraud you, and consign you to an early and avoidable death, are very very sad people indeed.

Unfortunately those people aren't the ones who get to dictate the pharmaceutical industry's agenda.