Cancer and the drug companies

[husaberg]

Have you ever wondered why there is considerably less animal disease on organic farms?

Well from my actual practical experience based on 10 years working previously for MAF that is patently untrue. So no.
Organic farms commonly use vaccinations (by the way) were you unaware of that? They are also obligated to provide proper care which often necessitates the use of antibiotics.
The use of modern medicine is a legal requirement to prevent unnecessary pain and suffering as well as public health.
Don't let the facts get in the way though ,carry on.............I am sure you having a pet dog and a long list of conspiracy theories overrides all other knowledge.

[Ocean1]

Just to throw something slightly different into the mix, Why don't animals get the huge array of illnesses that humans do?. You never learn of domestic or feral animals getting the volume of disease's, (cancer's, respiratory, skin, joint, muscle, nerve ailments, mental conditions) that afflict people.

Maybe it's because they simply live within their natural world. Did people ever give a toss about kennel cough or cat flu, before the vets came along?.

Probably. They were as human as we are. They just couldn't do anything about it.

Wild animals also get a huge array of illnesses. Like us they can live with them in pain or die as a result of them. Unlike us or our pets they don't have the choice of living without them.

The pathogens are "natural" too, so the "natural healthy lifestyle" hippy thing is bullshit after all. As several people have said; go walk through an old graveyard and have a read of how much suffering and shortened lives modern drugs cure.

Then, if you choose, you can decline to use them. While fucking off somewhere you're not a risk to those better educated.

[Katman]

Don't let the facts get in the way though carry on.............

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...l-Farming.html

[TheDemonLord]

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...l-Farming.html

I loved how that Article was all Opinion and no facts/data/science/evidence.

[Katman]

I loved how that Article was all Opinion and no facts/data/science/evidence.

It was a general outline of the differences between organic and conventional farming.

If you want facts/data/science/evidence feel free to go looking for yourself.

[TheDemonLord]

It was a general outline of the differences between organic and conventional farming.

If you want facts/data/science/evidence feel free to go looking for yourself.

I'm not the one making the claim that Organic Farming is free from diseases and better for you, you are.

YOU provide the evidence to back your shit up.

[Katman]

I'm not the one making the claim that Organic Farming is free from diseases and better for you, you are.

I didn't say free from disease, did I?

I suppose you're another one who would happily drink a glass of Round-up, are you?

[husaberg]

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...l-Farming.html

lets start the use of hormones and growth promotants is banned in NZ for dairy farming. BST is in common use in a few countries but has never been used in NZ
The use of antibiotics in dairy farming is strictly controlled and are administered under direct veteran supervision.
Your link which also doesn't mention vaccinations did you wonder why that was.
You are also confusing a marketing that organic animals and products are more healthy from actual reality.
The use of antibiotics for the treatment of infections such as mastitis is to alleviate pain and suffering (it is not the organic farmers first choice) and requires the isolation of the animal generally for the whole season.
in regards to the vaccinations
http://saferfarms.org.nz/guides/prev...leptospirosis/
Note: Organic farmers can be assured that properly administered vaccination against leptospirosis will not affect their official certification (15).
Thus I repeat you are wrong

but wait there is more

Note: Organic regulations require that if any animal needs to be treated with antibiotics after the start of the third year of conversion on welfare grounds, it must be treated. It then must be quarantined during recovery before it is removed from the system.
http://www.organicpastoral.co.nz/Res.../Mastitis.html

Livestock
For livestock like these healthy cows vaccines play an important part in animal health since antibiotic therapy is prohibited in organic farming
Raising livestock and poultry, for meat, dairy and eggs, is another traditional farming activity that complements growing. Organic farms attempt to provide animals with natural living conditions and feed. Organic certification verifies that livestock are raised according to the USDA organic regulations throughout their lives.[64] These regulations include the requirement that all animal feed must be certified organic.

Organic livestock may be, and must be, treated with medicine when they are sick, but drugs cannot be used to promote growth, their feed must be organic, and they must be pastured.[65]:19ff[66]

Also, horses and cattle were once a basic farm feature that provided labor, for hauling and plowing, fertility, through recycling of manure, and fuel, in the form of food for farmers and other animals. While today, small growing operations often do not include livestock, domesticated animals are a desirable part of the organic farming equation, especially for true sustainability, the ability of a farm to function as a self-renewing unit.

http://articles.extension.org/pages/...-organic-farms

My favourite
http://zweberfarms.com/organic-anima...c-myth-part-3/

That one proves what a total idiot you are

[Akzle]

That's the funny thing though, most of the people here probably miss half the shit that comes out of your gob because they //*

*ignore you because you're a pathetic dropkick gobshyte

[husaberg]

I didn't say free from disease, did I?

I suppose you're another one who would happily drink a glass of Round-up, are you?

Looks a lot like someone's backtracking.
As far a herbicides go you picked one of the safest to drink and use but I sincerely doubt you know any others (without googling) than 245T anyway.
Glyphosate is usually mixed with a surfactant/penerant such as pulse (its a lot like a dishwashing liquid) the herbicide is far safer than the surfactant.

But don't worry if they weren't able to use glyphosate they would have to use shit loads of extra chemical fertilisers and they would not be able to use a non till system which would result in increased loss of topsoil and erosion.

[Katman]

Looks a lot like someone's backtracking.

Not at all.

I'm simply pointing out that I never said free from disease.

(It would help if half you fucks could read English).

[husaberg]

*ignore you because you're a pathetic dropkick gobshyte

That's odd especially as you and Katman are the most ignored people on KB and have been for a number of years.
That's a fact, unless JAW has finally managed to unseat you both yet as the publicly voted most irrelevant persona on KB.
That's a fact, Its also funny that you show up now tell us all why was it you were banded from the Lifestyle block forum.

Not at all.

I'm simply pointing out that I never said free from disease.

(It would help if half you fucks could read English).

Really did you read the English were NZ organic farms are required to use modern medicines and use vaccinations.
You know that exact opposite to what you said was true......

[Katman]

Really did you read the English were NZ organic farms are required to use modern medicines and use vaccinations.
You know that exact opposite to what you said was true......

As you posted earlier there are approved vaccinations that won't affect an organic farm's certification but I'm not aware of any actual 'requirement' for the farm to use them.

And if they are used the animal is placed in quarantine.

[husaberg]

As you posted earlier there are approved vaccinations that won't affect an organic farm's certification but I'm not aware of any actual 'requirement' for the farm to use them.

And if they are used the animal is placed in quarantine.

Organic livestock may be, and must be, treated with medicine when they are sick.

You might want to look into the codes of animal welfare in regards to pain and suffering before you look like even more of a cretin.(too late)
You might also want to look into the requirements in regards to providing a safe work place in regards to Leptospirosis vacinations.
Then go to the individual Dairy companies codes of practice in regards to animal welfare and OSH in regards to both Lepto and animal welfare.

# note this is how little you know
The placing of treated animals in quarantine is actually a requirement for all farms with regards to withholding times for milk or meat regardless of if they are organic or not, with regards to the treatment of animals with antibiotics.

[Katman]

Organic livestock may be, and must be, treated with medicine when they are sick.

You might want to look into the codes of animal welfare in regards to pain and suffering before you look like even more of a cretin.(too late)
You might also want to look into the requirements in regards to providing a safe work place in regards to Leptosoris vacinations.
Then go to the individual Dairy companies codes of practice in regards to animal welfare and OSH in regards to both Lepto and animal welfare.

So there's no actual 'requirement' for animals on an organic farm to be vaccinated then.

I thought not.