Cancer and the drug companies

[husaberg]

But that would mean the vaccines didn't work and the virus was still out there...

Of course though the vaccines do work, As evidenced by the demise of Smallpox and of course the virus is still out there.
I think the last person who died from Smallpox was a lab worker.
No vaccination is sadly 100%.

[Katman]

No vaccination is sadly 100%.

If they were 100% I'd expect them to be ecstatic.

[TheDemonLord]

There you go again - inventing shit.

Join bogan and husaberk in the stupid cunt queue.

The funny thing is, apart from a little Artistic licence - I really didn't - you made 3 seperate claims, all without evidence, each time you got schooled on one point, you would change the Subject and move onto something else (like you are trying to do now)

I shall also take this time to create Demon's Law of KB Conspiracy threads

As a Thread in Rant and Rave increases in length, the probability that Katman will try and turn it into a discussion about 9/11 approaches 1

[bogan]

I'll let you know.

In the meantime, how about a moderator does something about the deliberate hijacking of the thread - without resorting to just canning the thread.

I won't hold my breath though.

Also, have you noticed a correlation between when you resort to insults and tantys, and the subsequent derailing of the thread?

So a free tip, is to stick to the topic/facts/science, as it would make it impossible for the 'other side' to derail the thread.

[husaberg]

If they were 100% I'd expect them to be ecstatic.

But you actually don't know much about logical thought patterns, you conspiracy religion seems to actually preclude it.

Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. It causes the most vaccine-preventable deaths of any disease. It resulted in about 96,000 deaths in 2013, down from 545,000 deaths in 1990. In 1980, the disease is estimated to have caused 2.6 million deaths per year.
Before immunization in the United States between three and four million cases occurred each year. Most of those who are infected and who die are less than five years old. The risk of death among those infected is usually 0.2%
The death rate in the US in the 1920s was around 30% for measles pneumonia
In developed countries, children are immunized against measles at 12 months, generally as part of a three-part MMR vaccine (measles, mumps, and rubella). The vaccination is generally not given before this age because such infants respond inadequately to the vaccine due to an immature immune system.
Anti-measles antibodies are transferred from mothers who have been vaccinated against measles or have been previously infected with measles to their newborn children.However, such antibodies are transferred in low amounts and usually last six months or less Infants under one year of age whose maternal anti-measles antibodies have disappeared become susceptible to infection with the measles virus. A second dose of the vaccine is usually given to children between the ages of four and five, to increase rates of immunity. Vaccination rates have been high enough to make measles relatively uncommon. Adverse reactions to vaccination are rare, with fever and pain at the injection site being the most common. Life-threatening adverse reactions occur in less than one per million vaccinations (<0.0001%)

Measles is extremely infectious and its continued circulation in a community depends on the generation of susceptible hosts by birth of children. In communities which generate insufficient new hosts the disease will die out. This concept was first recognized in measles by Bartlett in 1957, who referred to the minimum number supporting measles as the critical community size (CCS). Analysis of outbreaks in island communities suggested that the CCS for measles is c. 250,000. To achieve herd immunity, more than 95% of the community must be vaccinated due to the ease with which measles is transmitted from person to person
In 2014, a review by the Centers for Disease Control reported a total of 911 cases of measles from 2001 to 2011, with an annual median number of 61 cases and concluded that "the elimination of endemic measles, rubella, and CRS has been sustained in the United States." However, in 2015, a measles outbreak occurred in the U.S. and spread rather farther than it should have, because misguided ideas about anti-vaccination and vaccination delaying have decreased the community immunity afforded by proper public health programs. In 2015, a U.S. woman died of pneumonia, as a result of measles. She was the first fatality in the USA from measles since 2003.

[husaberg]

The funny thing is, apart from a little Artistic licence - I really didn't - you made 3 seperate claims, all without evidence, each time you got schooled on one point, you would change the Subject and move onto something else (like you are trying to do now)

I shall also take this time to create Demon's Law of KB Conspiracy threads

As a Thread in Rant and Rave increases in length, the probability that Katman will try and turn it into a discussion about 9/11 approaches 1

Try an imagine him in a social or work situation not doing the same thing ad nausea . That along with blaming all his normal conspiracy suspects (along with the big bad wolf) for all the worlds ails either imagined or real.
It must make for some awkward diner conversations.
Put simply he has failed on any level and in all occasions. Too provide any evidence, to back up any of the assertions, he has made about vaccinations and pharmaceutical organisations, That stands up to any half hearted scrutiny. He is just too gutless to admit that he has it wrong.

[Katman]

Try an imagine him in a social or work situation not doing the same thing ad nausea . That along with blaming all his normal conspiracy suspects (along with the big bad wolf) for all the worlds ails either imagined or real.
It must make for some awkward diner conversations.
Put simply he has failed on any level and in all occasions. Too provide any evidence, to back up any of the assertions, he has made about vaccinations and pharmaceutical organisations. That stands up to any half hearted scrutiny. He is just too gutless to admit that he has it wrong.

Have you ever sat back and actually read yourself?

[husaberg]

Have you ever sat back and actually read yourself?

People can't read themselves. Conversely though they can get a read on situations, or they can read what they have written. None of which would paint you out to be anything other than a Conspiracy idiot.

[TheDemonLord]

Have you ever sat back and actually read yourself?

One could well ask - Have you?

[husaberg]

One could well ask - Have you?

Alas Katspamer is unable to answer any questions, its against his religion (conspiracy paradox)

[RDJ]

aaaaaand it's a statutory holiday, I can't ride due to having to be able to answer the phone toute suite as the Frogs say, and I have completely run out of popcorn.

Ah well, minor problems in the cosmic scheme of things.

This was interesting once I got past the daunting prospect of trying to understand Patternicity and Agenticity

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ave-in-common/

[Ocean1]

aaaaaand it's a statutory holiday, I can't ride due to having to be able to answer the phone toute suite as the Frogs say, and I have completely run out of popcorn.

Ah well, minor problems in the cosmic scheme of things.

This was interesting once I got past the daunting prospect of trying to understand Patternicity and Agenticity

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ave-in-common/

Reads like a synopsis of http://www.amazon.com/Believing-Brai...elieving+brain

A good read, if you've a mind.

[RDJ]

Thanks Ocean - that does look like a good read. I think I shall invest in the Kindle version.

I am a believer in the claim, attributed to Socrates, that ‘the unexamined life is not worth living’.

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That said, what about the uncompromising language,”not worth living”. Why not simply claim that an examined life is better than the alternative or that it’s useful to think about things before acting? Ah well.

[Katman]

Why not simply claim that an examined life is better than the alternative or that it’s useful to think about things before acting? Ah well.

Trouble is, as a society we have been taught to not think about things and instead rely on trust.

[Katman]

That said, what about the uncompromising language,”not worth living”. Why not simply claim that an examined life is better than the alternative or that it’s useful to think about things before acting? Ah well.

Maybe you should put that whole paragraph in quotation marks.

http://www.newphilosopher.com/articl...g-fully-human/