What is NZ's police pursuit policy regarding vehicles?

[scumdog]

Ha.. terminated pursuit my ass.

It finished dinnit?

[caseye]

Ha! I witnessed the falseness of this claim a few years back when they chased some drunk locals into the gumtrees on our house-heard the sirens before I heard the car hit the tree. They never publicised my statement that was taken on video... wonder why haha.(maybe as I was 15 at the time and no one else had been home but pfft)
Ha.. terminated pursuit my ass.

You saw a fuckwit crash because they could not drive properly and were running from the law.
Are you one of these people who go, yeah na and flip flop depending on how they feel each time a set piece is played out.Grow some have a fucking opinion and stick by it. Driving drunk is OK is it? sirens make a lot of noise, you said yourself you heard them before the car hit the tree, can you say honestly that the Police were still in hot pursuit at the time the car hit the tree?
Um, I'd say that the chase'e hitting a tree pretty much terminated the chase, wouldn't you.
Funny isn't it how luckily we are all different, even at 15 I'd have said fucking good job, you it seems thought the Police had done something wrong???

[Tazz]

You saw a fuckwit crash because they could not drive properly and were running from the law.
Are you one of these people who go, yeah na and flip flop depending on how they feel each time a set piece is played out.Grow some have a fucking opinion and stick by it. Driving drunk is OK is it? sirens make a lot of noise, you said yourself you heard them before the car hit the tree, can you say honestly that the Police were still in hot pursuit at the time the car hit the tree?
Um, I'd say that the chase'e hitting a tree pretty much terminated the chase, wouldn't you.
Funny isn't it how luckily we are all different, even at 15 I'd have said fucking good job, you it seems thought the Police had done something wrong???

Driving drunk is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Chasing people over certain speeds is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Because you're 'well meaning' or have 'good intentions' it's OK for you as a popo to endanger people? Who's flip flopping here mate

[caseye]

Driving drunk is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Chasing people over certain speeds is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Because you're 'well meaning' or have 'good intentions' it's OK for you as a popo to endanger people? Who's flip flopping here mate

Wait up a minute, for starters I've always been an advocate of the chase must go on, the crims should not be allowed to get away.
I do not flip or flop.
The popo have particular rules about when to and when not to continue a chase, the interpretation of those rules is no longer allowed by the officers doing the chasing, they must cease and desist if they go over the threshold, my point is, unless the poster had seen the police car right up the crashing cars arsehole he could not say for sure they were still engaged, and if they were how come they didn't end up in the same tree?
We as "the general public must give our guys and girls on the actual front line where people do get killed, the tools to do their job as well as it can be, we must stand behind them and not waver in the face of the do gooders who would have their heads for thinking a criminal bum is just that.
I am not saying it's OK to break rules, I am saying we should have the same rules for us as them.

[Tazz]

Wait up a minute, for starters I've always been an advocate of the chase must go on, the crims should not be allowed to get away.
I do not flip or flop.
The popo have particular rules about when to and when not to continue a chase, the interpretation of those rules is no longer allowed by the officers doing the chasing, they must cease and desist if they go over the threshold, my point is, unless the poster had seen the police car right up the crashing cars arsehole he could not say for sure they were still engaged, and if they were how come they didn't end up in the same tree?
We as "the general public must give our guys and girls on the actual front line where people do get killed, the tools to do their job as well as it can be, we must stand behind them and not waver in the face of the do gooders who would have their heads for thinking a criminal bum is just that.
I am not saying it's OK to break rules, I am saying we should have the same rules for us as them.

That is flip flopping.

There are rules and laws in place for Popos to follow too. If they are breaking rules and laws to enforce rules and laws then what is the point of rules and laws?

The same rules for 'them' as 'us' would see no Police cars exceeding 100kph anyway
If you want to have no rule book when catching folk breaking the law then you are probably the last type of person that should be enforcing any laws, because frankly cops are not all good at their jobs. It turns out they are people in paid employment like (mostly) the rest of us and they fuck it up and do things that are just as dumb as the 'general public', plus they spend way to much bloody time on traffic enforcement anyway.

[rastuscat]

That is flip flopping.

There are rules and laws in place for Popos to follow too. If they are breaking rules and laws to enforce rules and laws then what is the point of rules and laws?

The same rules for 'them' as 'us' would see no Police cars exceeding 100kph anyway
If you want to have no rule book when catching folk breaking the law then you are probably the last type of person that should be enforcing any laws, because frankly cops are not all good at their jobs. It turns out they are people in paid employment like (mostly) the rest of us and they fuck it up and do things that are just as dumb as the 'general public', plus they spend way to much bloody time on traffic enforcement anyway.

Yawn.

Here we go again. Here's some facts.

25% of the Police budget each year comes from the Land Transport Fund. For the purpose of road policing.

Police spend less than 25% of their resources on road policing.

Effectively, the LTF is used to subsidise the under funded general policing functions.

People mostly see the visible side of policing i.e road policing. Which leads to the false impression that's all they do.

You really should go to one of the big stations to see the vast array of non road policing things that go on which have to be paid for.

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[scumdog]

Yawn.

Here we go again. Here's some facts.

25% of the Police budget each year comes from the Land Transport Fund. For the purpose of road policing.

Police spend less than 25% of their resources on road policing.

Effectively, the LTF is used to subsidise the under funded general policing functions.

People mostly see the visible side of policing i.e road policing. Which leads to the false impression that's all they do.

You really should go to one of the big stations to see the vast array of non road policing things that go on which have to be paid for.

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What he said.

Only a fuckwitted slack-jawed mouth-breathing cretin would judge what cops do by the 25% visible ones doing traffic - and thinks "that's what all cops concentrate on"

Bring back the take-no-prisoner ticket-everybody-for-anything type MOT cops.

THEN the above cretins would have something to moan about.

And the public would likewise moan about how there are even less 'p'leece' available for 'real crime'.

[R650R]

Why is it when you type a comment with the word police in it on here the window always freezes and dumps your comment.

Comment redacted. But if it was here it was an enlightened perspective relating some commonsense and reality to the debate....

[Akzle]

What he said.

Only a fuckwitted slack-jawed mouth-breathing cretin would judge what cops do by the 25% visible ones doing traffic - and thinks "that's what all cops concentrate on"

Bring back the take-no-prisoner ticket-everybody-for-anything type MOT cops.

THEN the above cretins would have something to moan about.

And the public would likewise moan about how there are even less 'p'leece' available for 'real crime'.

well, no. If a new(/old) ministry was implemented that enforced roading policy, and the "police" were reserved for the balance of crown policy enforcement... There would be no confusion.

Of course, the police have never actually stopped, prevented or solved any "real crime".

[nzspokes]

What he said.

Only a fuckwitted slack-jawed mouth-breathing cretin would judge what cops do by the 25% visible ones doing traffic - and thinks "that's what all cops concentrate on"

Sadly when they are doing traffic they really are not. They choose speeding as its an easy catch, and better a pursuit which is fun. The rest they ignore.

[Tazz]

Yawn.

Here we go again. Here's some facts.

25% of the Police budget each year comes from the Land Transport Fund. For the purpose of road policing.

Police spend less than 25% of their resources on road policing.

Effectively, the LTF is used to subsidise the under funded general policing functions.

People mostly see the visible side of policing i.e road policing. Which leads to the false impression that's all they do.

You really should go to one of the big stations to see the vast array of non road policing things that go on which have to be paid for.

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So that was one throw away comment right at the end of everything you quoted, but whatever.

If the police dept is that understaffed and funded maybe 25% or less (more time that funding due to the source of it) is too much?

If that 25% isn't just a fiscal digit you've picked out that is an entire quarter of the popos resouces devoted to the road, that is heaps! The fuzz deal with S&R, missing people, robberies, community interaction shizzle (public meetings, schools etc), event control, murdurrrrr and a heeeaps of other stuff, a lot of it not really police related in the sense of what we think they do, and you're telling me an entire quarter of the operation is devoted to ONE aspect of police work, and one that they are failing at to boot (infringements issued have increased (above target) and death toll is on rise yet 2012-2015 plan/focus was on PREVENTION. That's a massive fail. Heads would roll in the private sector for the equivalent performance).

I'd be interested to know if patrols are counted as road policing or are they accounted for in a different manner?
Budget aside what is the time allocation to road policing?
Have the hiring standards slipped that much that the quality of staff are an issue?

The whole ticket revenue company line thing (which will be coming I'm sure) is naive too, but there is a bit from both sides on that front. The front line grunts are not govt accountants and while there are KPIs that they will be measured on I know they are not ticket value based as some believe.

[scumdog]

Of course, the police have never actually stopped, prevented or solved any "real crime".

Sort of like yourself - never done anything??
But get paid for it?

(I love it!)

[scumdog]

Sadly when they are doing traffic they really are not. They choose speeding as its an easy catch, and better a pursuit which is fun. The rest they ignore.

Yeah, I always thought all those careless/dangerous/drunk/reckless etc driving charges weren't real...

[scumdog]

So that was one throw away comment right at the end of everything you quoted, but whatever.

If the police dept is that understaffed and funded maybe 25% or less (more time that funding due to the source of it) is too much?

If that 25% isn't just a fiscal digit you've picked out that is an entire quarter of the popos resouces devoted to the road, that is heaps!

Well how many trffic cops were around at the time of the merger? Equivalent to 25% of the police they joined?

[nzspokes]

Yeah, I always thought all those careless/dangerous/drunk/reckless etc driving charges weren't real...

I count 20+ people on phones on my ride to work everyday. Only time recently Ive seen a cop was when I got stopped on highway 16 for a wof/reg/licence check for safety. I dont need a rego to be safe. Time before that was on the same stretch of road when a retard in a red Commodore wagon overtook me on a blind RH corner pushing me towards the ditch. Then he overtook other riders on a blind crest. Idiot.