Work this shit out

**TheDemonLord** · 12th March 2016, 21:52

Originally Posted by tigertim20

whaddya mean 'but'?

If one is afraid for their own safety they are justified in the use of force. You arent required to take a hit first.

Well, that is why it goes to court - as described - I see it as one person trying to intimidate another, mouthing off etc. and the other person making it physical, since it was our fellow poster who crossed the line to take it from verbal to physical, I see him as at fault.

Others have different opinions and are welcome to them.

It would be a different story (for me) if our poster said that it looked like the other guy was going to attack him or had laid a hand on him/pushed him etc. - but that isn't how he described it, just that someone was in his face.

**AllanB** · 12th March 2016, 22:20

Jesus - if you didn't want to take her to lunch and go shopping (fully understandable) you should have just faked a dose of diarrhea.

**Berries** · 12th March 2016, 22:39

It smells like that in Oamaru some times anyway so you can't use it as an excuse.

**oldrider** · 12th March 2016, 23:15

As long as nobody scratched that beautiful bloody car! - Best of luck with the outcome on the altercation with Oamaru's finest and the gandydancers boyfriend!

**WristTwister** · 12th March 2016, 23:40

provocation

**Its_Syd** · 13th March 2016, 01:34

Originally Posted by WristTwister

provocation

Dont think provocation is a good defence anymore since a few years back some fellow stabbed their partner a few times and tried to claim provocation

**Akzle** · 13th March 2016, 05:27

Originally Posted by Its_Syd

Dont think provocation is a good defence anymore since a few years back some fellow stabbed their partner a few times and tried to claim provocation

self defence still is.

And if thats the one i'm thinking of, he stabbed her 50 sommat times.

best with it man. Unfortunately getting to caught is a jew game, so unless you are a jew, you'll need to hire one. You may be eligible for legal aid.
Theres a few paths to go down a) deny deny deny b) say sorry and take it on the chin c) self defence.
I'd be pulling all your own witness statements (will need to be affidavitised for jews) and even character references ("he's a kitten and would never hit someone unless scared for his life") - do not, repeat, DO NOT trust that the cops has done any kind of job in taking statements that do anything other than back up himself.

**rastuscat** · 13th March 2016, 05:40

It would sure be interesting to hear the other side if the story.

If something sounds unusual, it's normally because we haven't heard the whole story.

Still, a judge will decide. If it's a big fat nothing, it'll turn into a big fat nothing.

**Oakie** · 13th March 2016, 08:06

Self-defence. You were outnumbered and being abused. Reacted for self-preservation

Back in the day (also in Oamaru) the driver of a car I was in got smacked through the open drivers window of the car by some guys who we had some history with. That guy somehow got off with self-defence. I guess it comes down to who tells the better story.

Good luck with it.

**awayatc** · 13th March 2016, 10:35

Courts are not about justice,

and stories told not about truth.....

bit of creative story telling required?

**pritch** · 13th March 2016, 11:40

In your original post you say he grabbed your collar, he had a mate so you were outnumbered. I'd say you had cause. Shame I'm not a judge.

Sadly these days you can't rely on common sense counting for much in a court room.

**Tazz** · 13th March 2016, 12:28

Originally Posted by Oakie

I guess it comes down to who tells the better story.

Good luck with it.

Originally Posted by awayatc

Courts are not about justice,

and stories told not about truth.....

bit of creative story telling required?

I agree with the being grabbed by him as the first strike, but because you got out of your car to escalate the situation I think you might be buggered.

You can't beat sense into the senseless sadly.

**MarkH** · 13th March 2016, 12:41

A guy grabs your collar, you push him away . . . with your fist . . . against his chin - not really a crime is it?

**oldrider** · 13th March 2016, 12:59

Originally Posted by Tazz

I agree with the being grabbed by him as the first strike, but because you got out of your car to "escalate" the situation I think you might be buggered.

You can't beat sense into the senseless sadly.

Mike said he got out of the (low slung) car to "explain" (not escalate!) to the concerned citizen that his exit at the other end of the street was obstructed!

The concerned citizen's partner misread the situation and mistakenly rushed to his partner's defence by grabbing at Mike's shirt collar aggressively provoking an assault!

Mike was forced to defend himself from this unsolicited attack by pushing out with his hand to fend off the attacker in order to calm things down and clarify the situation!

Seems clear enough!