Smart meters. What's all the fuss about?

**Drew** · 14th March 2016, 19:04

Originally Posted by caseye

I walked the streets reading meters for a wee while a year or two ago, the old ones aren't great, but the electric companies love the new "smart ones" No one who had one installed got their power any cheaper, in fact without fail they ended up paying more. I refused to let them onto the property to install the new one.

Lets break this down. You believe it's you right to use innacurately measured power and pay by the unit, because it works in your favor. If the shoe was on the other foot (and it will be at some point in the future), I bet you'll feel a tad different.

**Akzle** · 14th March 2016, 19:11

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Ionising vs non Ionising radiation. Gotta love the people that panic about a wifi router or cellphone tower near their bedroom but knock back litres of neurotoxic carcinogenic liquids on a weekend. Don't think anyone's ever had a hangover from using their cellphone?

acute toxicity vs chronic toxity, dumbass.

Also, enlighten me what's carcinogenic.

**Drew** · 14th March 2016, 19:14

Originally Posted by Akzle

Also, enlighten me what's carcinogenic.

Everything! Absolutely everything.

**caseye** · 14th March 2016, 19:20

Originally Posted by Drew

Lets break this down. You believe it's you right to use innacurately measured power and pay by the unit, because it works in your favor. If the shoe was on the other foot (and it will be at some point in the future), I bet you'll feel a tad different.

No Drew I don't believe it's my right to use inaccurately measured power, the old meters recorded all that the electric co wanted it to and some, they always erred on the side of the "house so to speak". But the new smart ones measure more accurately they say and yes it was my experience and that of many customers that the new ones got the electric co more money.

**rambaldi** · 14th March 2016, 19:28

Meh. I always liked that the bills are consistent month to month rather than tiny every second month as the "estimate" and then huge the following to compensate.

**jonbuoy** · 14th March 2016, 19:30

Originally Posted by Akzle

acute toxicity vs chronic toxity, dumbass.

Also, enlighten me what's carcinogenic.

Science vs Psuedoscience. Fucking hell you pretend to be an expert on every subject on the planet but just spout drivel and pollute every thread.

**jellywrestler** · 14th March 2016, 19:32

Originally Posted by 98tls

and when complained were told there old meters must have been inaccurate.

i'm a sparky and have had a few people whose power bill climbed a bit. the new ones are accurate, the older ones would have a margin of error in them a bit like ya speedo, as the power companies didn't want to get caught with one overreading they erred on the side of caution. only thing is once we all have them and they recover the margin of error, they make more profit and won't pass it back to us as a user...

**jellywrestler** · 14th March 2016, 19:34

Originally Posted by oldrider

I have a smallish malignant growth on my left ear lobe

Turns out other family members have had the same but not exposed to any EMF's etc. - some shit just happens!

sounds like you're from Gore...

**Akzle** · 14th March 2016, 19:36

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Science vs Psuedoscience. Fucking hell you pretend to be an expert on every subject on the planet but just spout drivel and pollute every thread.

your right. Noones ever done any study on anything to show any negative effects of rf or emf.

you forgot to answer the question, but thats ok, im an expert on everything and know the answer already

fuckwit.

**jonbuoy** · 14th March 2016, 19:43

Originally Posted by Akzle

your right. Noones ever done any study on anything to show any negative effects of rfor emf.

you forgot to answer the question, but thats ok, im an expert on everything and know the answer already

fuckwit.

Alcohol. I've been working with RF transmitters Radar and high voltage for over 20 years so I´ve been on a fair few safety courses. Remind what it is you do again - other than sitting on the internet spitting dribble over your keyboard?

**husaberg** · 14th March 2016, 19:48

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Alcohol. I've been working with RF transmitters Radar and high voltage for over 20 years so I´ve been on a fair few safety courses. Remind what it is you do again - other than sitting on the internet spitting dribble over your keyboard?

It would be a huge laugh, if he quoted that report on Cancer ill health and EMF that was done in the states by Wertheimer and Leeper.
It was basically a phone poll with no quantifiable data.
it was totally discredited.
Most peoples clock radio next to peoples bed gives off more gauss than a 110KV line in a backyard does.

**Akzle** · 14th March 2016, 20:02

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Alcohol. I've been working with RF transmitters Radar and high voltage for over 20 years so I´ve been on a fair few safety courses. Remind what it is you do again - other than sitting on the internet spitting dribble over your keyboard?

interesting on that alcohol and cancer thing. Though in my 30 seconds of giving a shit about it the terms i find are "an increased risk factor" not "a known carcinogen"

ahh radar, that ghz band// wait. What?

So, what frequencies do you work with? What are your sops? Daily exposure limits? Cumulative/annual exposure limits?
Do you sleep with it beside your head? Have you done this over a statistically relevant time period against a control guy?
Truly, im fascinated.

Im not sure why you bring hv into it. Thats some irrelevant distracto bullshit. Unless you install hv smart meters?
Have you tried measuring your voltage intake while standing near a transformer?

What i do? Pretty much whatever the fuck i want.

**pritch** · 14th March 2016, 21:41

Originally Posted by rambaldi

Meh. I always liked that the bills are consistent month to month rather than tiny every second month as the "estimate" and then huge the following to compensate.

Both companies I have used operate in the opposite direction. The estimate is higher than normal so that when the meter is read you get a cheap month.
Actually "estimate" seems too flash a description for what they do.

**Banditbandit** · 15th March 2016, 12:15

Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner

The anti smart metre brigade are the weirdest crazies out there, with the most bizarre reasoning and crazy weirdo pseudo-science. Personally I'm looking forward to having a smart meter.

Have a look here to have a laugh at these nutcases:
http://www.stopsmartmeters.org.nz/

Of course anyone with two brain cells to run together sees right through this loony nonsense.

Yeah .. but put all the bullshit aside (We had a smart meter installed - turns out it transmits data back to the power company via Vodafone - and we get no Vodafone reception at home .. Haha ...)

We now have a flashing red light on the meter that runs all the time - using power ...

Smart meters use more power than the old analogue meter ...

Someone has to be paying for that extra power use .. Guess Who !!!

PS .. we still get an "estimate" power bill .. then a top up big bill after three months, when they come to read the smart meter (how smart is that?) .. but my wife reads the meter and only pays for what we use ... In the past we have had a largish bill for two months - then a third month bill which was in credit because their "estimates" were bullshit. Happened more than once. The power company said they were happy for us to pay for what we thought we had used, rather than the amount on the bill.

However the dopey shits have never changed their estimate to something based on what we actually use - rathrer than what they think the average NZ household uses ...