You pricks are costing us taxpayers too much money

[Duncan74]

Why dont you apply your OCD to neels last sentance as well, give ya something to do

Well that's simple. Assuming that people are as likely to be injured doing non work 'stuff' regardless to income, then it all nets out - those that pay more get more, those that pay less get less. That's all fair.

[skippa1]

Well that's simple. Assuming that people are as likely to be injured doing non work 'stuff' regardless to income, then it all nets out - those that pay more get more, those that pay less get less. That's all fair.

Jesus fuck boy.....you need to get a new hobby

[actungbaby]

They will probably decide to make us mature riders have to ride LAMS bikes .....

It's typical low level news really - whooo-do-doooo, So how much does it cost to cover some of the car crash victims?

mature you mean old fozzils or old prick bikers we should join grey power . i call out elder abuse

get winston on are side have gold card for OPB card 10 % of at super cheap

[actungbaby]

Doesn't apply to me 'cause I'm not middle-aged. I'm old. And earn fuck all.

ya old git yeah keep of the side walk too ;-) and leave old ladys alone while your at it .

i earn f@# all too so we have to take up moto cross to keep up with rich old f@#$$ traveeling on open road how dare them.

we go on the train tracks much safer ;-)

[swbarnett]

We all need to stop winging and get a quote for UK third party insurance on a bike half the size we ride. That will be at least triple your ACC cover and not even cover your own single vehicle "honey I fucked up" crash.

Then you have ask if the 2 coffees a week we drop on ACC is worth:
Full crash medical insurance,
80% income cover,
compensation,
home and vehicle adaptions,
Two free riding training sessions a year.

So bear all this in mind and whether, for all its faults, is it worth it?

Hell yeah it is....

And I would have to agree. However, this is not the salient point.

The salient point is that ACC is supposed to be a "NO FAULT" system. I won't be happy until ALL ACC funding is taken directly from income tax. This is the ONLY way to bring equity back into the system.

[WNJ]

While in the same age group it has been said its the mid life crisis (returning after 20 or more years) riders thinking they can relive their youth that come to grief the most. Maybe its those riders as well as those at fault who should be paying higher ACC premiums.

Are there specifics for returning riders ?

[swbarnett]

It is not a no fault system

I agree that the way it is (mis)managed is based on fault. However, this is completely against the principle on which it was founded.

[WristTwister]

According to the article, it's because you middle-aged mid-life crisis-suffers all get paid so much that ACC wage compensation costs are higher. Younger riders cost less in compensation because they earn less.

[swbarnett]

The founding principle was obviously not written into law otherwise the current imbalance in ACC fees would have been challenged in court by now.

I didn't mean to imply that there's a legal requirement for it to be so. Just that this is how it was supposed to be. If the founders had been a little more paranoid then maybe there would be.

[swbarnett]

According to the article, it's because you middle-aged mid-life crisis-suffers all get paid so much that ACC wage compensation costs are higher. Younger riders cost less in compensation because they earn less.

Exactly. And if ACC was funded from income tax the payouts would indeed be proportional to contribution.

[neels]

While in the same age group it has been said its the mid life crisis (returning after 20 or more years) riders thinking they can relive their youth that come to grief the most. Maybe its those riders as well as those at fault who should be paying higher ACC premiums.

Fuck off, i pay plenty already for my own and others choice of recreational activities, as well as being singled out and paying an extra levy for one of them, without dickheads like you suggesting I should pay even more because of other peoples fuckups, generalisations like that are what the powers that be love as an excuse to gather revenue

[AllanB]

Exactly. And if ACC was funded from income tax the payouts would indeed be proportional to contribution.

What so the more you earn the more you pay in ACC ? A specific ACC levy?

Bugger that. Fuckers take too much tax off me now as it is - every pay rise is a laugh by the time it's taxed. A bonus looks great until it is culled.

They could do that without to much complaining if ACC was just funded out of the big income tax coffers - everyone pays for the privilege of the system. More you earn the more you'll contribute by default.


Off note - some years back Helen Clark ran an election with a promise of not tax increases - then added levies during the term claiming they were not new taxes. Look up the definition of 'Levy'. Bloody politicians.

[neels]

It would be interesting to know how many riders come to grief as a result of being under pressure to keep up on group rides and group rides can include far more than just middle aged riders.

Are you ever going to give up flogging the skeletal remains of that particular horse? Dragging it into every thread is getting very boring

[nzspokes]

But if you have never stopped riding into the midlife crisis age group you are likely to be a safer rider than someone who starts out again at that age.

What a load of crap.

[SVboy]

I am guessing Cassandra keeps banging on about group rides because no one will ride with him. No surprises there then! Perhaps ACC should levy stupid riders, in which case Katrina will be picking up most of NZs motorcycle levies!