Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

Instead the majority base their argument on hearing of one discredited article.

I'm equally sure that there are a number who base their argument on far more than that.

Like I've said before, I actually have no personal investment in this argument. I don't have to decide whether to subject a child to the MMR vaccine or not.

I'm more intrigued by the vehemence that people who question the vaccine are subjected to.

We've been shown cases of gross misadventure in the past with the likes of thalidomide.

Let's hope we're not witnessing another such debacle.

(And that's entirely without mentioning the whole Tuskagee idea).

[Ocean1]

Haven't you heard?

Some people think there might be a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

Only fuckwits, dude.

If you understood why that's so then you'd probably be just as convinced that it's possible to die of embarrassment.

But you never will. Fuckwits don't.

[Katman]

Only fuckwits, dude.

If you understood why that's so then you'd probably be just as convinced that it's possible to die of embarrassment.

But you never will. Fuckwits don't.

I'll take that as a no then.

[mada]

I'm equally sure that there are a number who base their argument on far more than that.

Like I've said before, I actually have no personal investment in this argument. I don't have to decide whether to subject a child to the MMR vaccine or not.

I'm more intrigued by the vehemence that people who question the vaccine are subjected to.

We've been shown cases of gross misadventure in the past with the likes of thalidomide.

Let's hope we're not witnessing another such debacle.

(And that's entirely without mentioning the whole Tuskagee idea).

It's an emotive topic. Because those who may see the ill-effects and try to pick up the pieces, then get branded as being part of some global conspiracy.

Yes there have been countless cases over the years of misadventure (add Cartwright Inquiry to the list). Just like SOME bikies are gangmembers.
The medical fraternity along with the scientific community have an obligation be open to debate.

After the questions were raised countless research was and has been undertaken all over the world, year after year, by various different organisations, researchers, etc. all coming back with the same consensus. But this is portrayed as some big conspiracy, yet we can trust such people with other things such as Aids prevention, and their research that has found thalidomide along with countless other drugs is teratogenic?

I have no issue with people questioning things... but I do have issue when they spread baseless lies - whether that be saying "there are links" or you cannot "trust all research because they all in big pharma's pocket" or "all bikers are rapist gang members who ride harleys" etc.

[Virago]

...I'm more intrigued by the vehemence that people who question the vaccine are subjected to...

Simple. You see it as questioning, others see it as baseless scaremongering - which has a major effect on the health (and indeed the lives) of children.

[Katman]

Simple. You see it as questioning, others see it as baseless scaremongering - which has a major effect on the health (and indeed the lives) of children.

Cheers.

Forgive me if your response doesn't answer any of my questions though.

[idb]

I'm equally sure that there are a number who base their argument on far more than that.

Like I've said before, I actually have no personal investment in this argument. I don't have to decide whether to subject a child to the MMR vaccine or not.

I'm more intrigued by the vehemence that people who question the vaccine are subjected to.

We've been shown cases of gross misadventure in the past with the likes of thalidomide.

Let's hope we're not witnessing another such debacle.

(And that's entirely without mentioning the whole Tuskagee idea).

Thalidomide?!
You're going back that far?
Do you not think there has been enough time passed for the safety of the MMR vaccine to be well studied?

[Katman]

Thalidomide?!
You're going back that far?
Do you not think there has been enough time passed for the safety of the MMR vaccine to be well studied?

Have you ever wondered about the vast increase in the number of vaccinations given these days and what effect that could be having on one's natural immune system?

[Maha]

Thalidomide?!
You're going back that far?
Do you not think there has been enough time passed for the safety of the MMR vaccine to be well studied?

It's because he has really short arms, which coincidentally didn't help is less than amateur boxing as a teen.

[idb]

Have you ever wondered about the vast increase in the number of vaccinations given these days and what effect that could be having on one's natural immune system?

Yeah, they would help boost your immune system...which is one hell of a coincidence because that's what they're supposed to do.

[Oscar]

Have you ever wondered about the vast increase in the number of vaccinations given these days and what effect that could be having on one's natural immune system?

Way to show your ignorance on the subject...

[Katman]

Way to show your ignorance on the subject...

Perhaps you're just not recognising the distinction between natural immunity and acquired immunity.

[Oscar]

Perhaps you're just not recognising the distinction between natural immunity and acquired immunity.

Wow, you just can't help showing how dumb you are.
You have bugger all "natural" immunity as such.
Most of the immunity you have is acquired from your mother in the womb, or from your environment or from artificial sources.

[Katman]

Most of the immunity you have is acquired from your mother in the womb....

I think it can be taken as read that 'acquired from your mother in the womb' counts as natural.

The body has a number of means to protect it from the invasion of a pathogen.

I just wonder whether bypassing those means, by injecting the pathogen directly into the system, might not be rendering some of those other means less effective.

[idb]

I think it can be taken as read that 'acquired from your mother in the womb' counts as natural.

The body has a number of means to protect it from the invasion of a pathogen.

I just wonder whether bypassing those means, by injecting the pathogen directly into the system, might not be rendering some of those other means less effective.

My understanding of how immunisation works is that a weakened or dead pathogen is introduced into your body and your body naturally develops an immune response.
Isn't that natural?