Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

And that is your only solution?

I don't have a solution.

But someone better come up with one, otherwise we're stuck with the corrupt system we currently have.

[Woodman]

Scientists fear MMR link to autism. I hope you've got a massive humble pie to hand out Katman. You might well need it by the sounds of things

So you say katman should be handing out humble pie based on a report from the main stream media?

Pretty sure Katman will believe that the Daily Mail is probarbly controlled by jews, governments and corporations inc big pharma so won't trust its legitamacy or impartiality. Unless of course it suits him (and you) to overlook it just this once.

[mashman]

So you say katman should be handing out humble pie based on a report from the main stream media?

Pretty sure Katman will believe that the Daily Mail is probarbly controlled by jews, governments and corporations inc big pharma so won't trust its legitamacy or impartiality. Unless of course it suits him (and you) to overlook it just this once.

'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct. That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.'

"The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused uproar and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple jab. Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the interpretation but stood by the science.".

Based on what the science is pointing to and the scientists have said. Something so many seem to want to ignore... I guess it suits them (and you) to overlook it just this once.

[mashman]

Abolish money.

Fuckin excellent solution btw big man. Logic, reason and common sense approach to stopping corruption. Likely why people want the influence of money out of politics too.

[mashman]

Yeah, best not to debate with idiotarians like K'man. They drag you down to their level then beat you with their 'experience' at that level.

[Woodman]

'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct. That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.'

"The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused uproar and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple jab. Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the interpretation but stood by the science.".

Based on what the science is pointing to and the scientists have said. Something so many seem to want to ignore... I guess it suits them (and you) to overlook it just this once.

Cool, so you do support the msm. Good to know.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuckin excellent solution btw big man. Logic, reason and common sense approach to stopping corruption. Likely why people want the influence of money out of politics too.

And what about non-monetary forms of corruption?

Cause I can think of various forms of that...

At which point you might have to concede that it isn't money that was the problem: humans are the biggest corrupting influence.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't have a solution.

But someone better come up with one, otherwise we're stuck with the corrupt system we currently have.

Well, that's no fun. But as a tangent - does the prescence of money always result in corruption? And if so - at what level of corruption do you deem there to be a problem?

[mashman]

Cool, so you do support the msm. Good to know.

What's msm?

[mashman]

And what about non-monetary forms of corruption?

Cause I can think of various forms of that...

At which point you might have to concede that it isn't money that was the problem: humans are the biggest corrupting influence.

You are truly stupid.

[Ocean1]

Abolish money.

I don't have a solution.

Perfectly correct.

You don't.

[Ocean1]

Well, that's no fun. But as a tangent - does the prescence of money always result in corruption? And if so - at what level of corruption do you deem there to be a problem?

The point where everyone else isn't doing what he wants them to.

Fuksache, pay attention!

[mada]

'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct. That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.'

"The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused uproar and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple jab. Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the interpretation but stood by the science.".

Based on what the science is pointing to and the scientists have said. Something so many seem to want to ignore... I guess it suits them (and you) to overlook it just this once.

From the scientists and their institute themselves.... rather than the beat up media

http://www.wakehealth.edu/News-Relea...and_Autism.htm

"WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – An American scientist whose research replicates a connection published in England in 2002 between the measles virus and bowel disease in autistic children strongly warns against making the “leap” to suggesting that the measles vaccine might actually cause autism.

“That is not what our research is showing,” said Stephen J. Walker, Ph.D., an assistant professor of physiology and pharmacology at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center. Walker and colleagues have issued an abstract to be presented at this week’s International Meeting for Autism Research, indicating that a high percentage of autistic children that they have tested with chronic bowel disease show evidence of measles virus in their intestines.

Some observers have said that the presence of the measles virus indicates a strong possibility that the measles vaccine, a possible source of the virus, could have caused the children’s autism. That possible connection has caused a major controversy in the United Kingdom, where the connection was first made in 2002. The vaccine is first given as part of a triple vaccine called MMR – for measles, mumps and rubella – at ages 12-18 months. That is shortly before a particular type of autism (regressive) begins to appear in children afflicted with the condition, which has fueled the speculation about a connection.

Walker says the new research does not support the connection, and he notes that the results have not even been published in a peer-reviewed journal. “Even if we showed association (between measles virus and bowel disease) and we published it in a peer-reviewed journal, the conclusion will be simply that there is measles virus in the gut of a large number of children who have regressive autism and bowel disease. End of story.

“We haven’t done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism or even causing bowel disease.”"

[Katman]

From the scientists and their institute themselves.... rather than the beat up media

Andrew Wakefield never stated as fact that the vaccine causes autism either.

He merely suggested that there was a possibility of a link between them.

Much the same as the Wake Forest study says.

[mada]

Andrew Wakefield never stated as fact that the vaccine causes autism either.

He merely suggested that there was a possibility of a link between them.

Much the same as the Wake Forest study says.

"Over 20 subsequent studies and many expert reviews that have shown no association between MMR and these diseases."

"What studies show that autism and IBD are not related to the MMR vaccine?

A large number of independent researchers from around the world, using many different techniques ranging from molecular
biology studies to population based epidemiology, have now shown that there is no evidence of a link between MMR
vaccine and autism or IBD. Many of these studies compare the rates of autism and IBS in large groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated children. The following are summaries of some of the studies performed.
• In 1999, a large population-based study in England looked at the vaccination status of 498 children with autism and control
subjects without autism and found no link between the timing of vaccination with MMR and the onset of autism.
• In 2004 another English study looked at the rates of autism A study of more than 440,000 Danish children vaccinated in the 1990’s compared with 96,000 unvaccinated children
provided strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR causes autism or autistic spectrum disorder.
• A large study in Finland followed almost 600,000 children for 20 years after MMR vaccination and found no evidence
for MMR vaccine-associated autism or other neurological disorders.
• A study of the rates of IBD and autism among 6100 French school- aged children found no association between MMR
and these diseases.
• A study in Sweden in 1998 looking at the prevalence of autism over 10 years found no change after the introduction of
MMR vaccine.
• Two independent groups of researchers in the UK performed epidemiologic studies to determine if there was an
association between bowel symptoms, autism and MMR. Both studies found no evidence for gastrointestinal
problems being linked to developmental regression or to MMR vaccination.
• Additional studies in the US and UK found no correlation between trends in early childhood MMR immunisation rates
and trends in autism diagnosis. For example, a study done in California, showed that although rates of autism have gone
up by 373% over 15 years, the increase in the number of children immunised with MMR has only increased by 14% in
that time.
• A study in the United States looked at patients with IBD born over a 32 year period, found that vaccination with MMR or
other measles-containing vaccines, or the timing of vaccination early in life, did not increase the risk for IBD.
• At least 3 laboratory-based studies by different research groups using technical methods similar to those in the Uhlmann
study, found no evidence of measles virus in the bowel specimens of patients with IBD.

What have expert reviews concluded?

A review by the World Health Organization concluded that current scientific data do not permit a causal link to be drawn
between the measles virus and autism or IBD. An extensive review published in 2004 by the Institute of Medicine, an
independent expert body in the United States, has concluded that there is no association between the MMR vaccine and
the development of autism. Reviews by the American Academy of Pediatrics, The British Chief Medical Officer, the UK
Medical Research Council, Canadian experts, and numerous other scientific experts have stated that there is there is no
link between autism or IBD and the measles vaccine in 5,500 children who attended GPs and were immunised with MMR, and found no evidence to suggest a link between the vaccine and autism."

A potential link that has been explored and found not to have evidence.

http://www.immune.org.nz/sites/defau...08V02Final.pdf