463 state houses vacant due to P contamination.

[Katman]

Im fairly confident the same applies to people who argue on the internet all day too.

[Maha]

I aren't seeing katman up for inviting the homeless into his home yet so he can become the expert sympathiser on the homeless that he is.

WOT Motel
Where we love the homeless.

He could house them in his workshop, they could repay him by cleaning the area up.

I'm sure a very significant percentage of the homeless have mental health issues.

.....around 30%? or in numbers 23?

[Banditbandit]

I don't want to make assumptions, but do the children all have the same father?

Yes. Mother born in Auckland - meet husband from Murupara - married and they moved to Mururapa .. where he got a job in the bush ... he was killed in a forestry accident - she moved back to Auckland to have the support of her family for her three young children.

The house she's renting was sold - she couldn't afford a rent increase ...

[Banditbandit]

Those that know me know the truth, those that make sweeping derogatory generalisations about someone based on a few posts on the internet that they haven't managed comprehend properly don't really matter.

Fair enough ...

That'd be funny if it wasn't so contrived and hackneyed.

Maybe it sounds hackneyed abnd contrived because it's true ...

Like this dude?

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11648771

Naaa .. he's just been locked up and mistreated .. if he was put into "community care" he has a loviong family who will look aftrer him .. if he didn't have that family he may well become homeless ..

The point, as you are well aware, is that those who abuse the generosity of the taxpayer...
This (hypothetical) lady would not be affected.
The persons who destroy a state/rental house are the issue.

Perhaps the socialist approach is preferable? Put several families into the same residence.
2 x rooms = 2 families. 10 kids? Big deal. Enjoy your room.

How is she not affected/ She's homeless with three children ...

Whoever said that was the socialist approach? It may well be the Soviet dictatorship approach ...

Was that the moment you turned your life around? If someone had given you a house would you be the same person you are today?

That's the single dumbest fucken post in this thread.

Those at the top exploit tax law, they do it legally for the most part. They still pay a shit load of tax. It isn't like they're paying no tax, it's just that dumb fucks don't understand the system.

People do not turn to selling drugs from having to at all. That's just a bullshit line criminals use to make themselves feel better.

Fuck them too.

So - how much tax do our companies pay ? Can you cite it as a percentage of the percentage of the overall l tax take? How much do middle to high income earners pay as a percentage of the tax take ?

[Banditbandit]

Was that the moment you turned your life around? If someone had given you a house would you be the same person you are today?

No .. it took a bit longer ...

And no - being given a house would have made fuck all difference at that moment - except I would have had somewhere warm and dry to sleep ...

[Banditbandit]

That'd be funny if it wasn't so contrived and hackneyed.

OK .. let me see

So, our neo-liberal Government said Government should not be in the business of housing - that is best handled by private enterprise ..

So private enterprise starts building houses - not for social good reasons, but to make money ...

Private enterprise has little incentive to "solve" Auckland's housing crisis - the law of supply and demand (I'm sure that you would not find that contrived and hackneyed) says that the higher the demand the higher the price .. (high demand under supply). To make more money private enterprise needs to keep demand high so they can ask higher prices. I.e. Private enterprise needs to keep people homeless to increase their profit margin ...

Private enterprise has no interest in low-cost housing for the lower strata of society - because that's not where the money is ...

The Government needs to be seen to be "doing something" about the housing crisis, so they are trying to force Auckland's council to free up land in the city for housing. That looks good publicly - but in reality they are freeing up land so their developer mates and supports have more land to build on. In the city is where people want to live, not an hour north up the north shore coast

So private enterprise gets inner city land to build on and make money ...

because of the housing shortage rental prices go up (under supply high demand). Those on benefits get an accommodation supplement and it is increased when rents go up .. so the landlords know that if they put the rent up, their tenants get a higher level of support

This Government is funnelling taxpayers money, (your money) meant to help vulnerable and poor people, directly into the pockets of their mates and supporters ...

Private enterprise is making profits at the expense of the taxpayers .. you and me .. just trying to earn our way but in reality sending money to the elite ..

Contrived and hackneyed you say ... I'm pleased that you are happy to ensure our wealthy elite get richer at your expense ..

[Banditbandit]

Maybe if the people at the bottom got off the couch and learned themselves some skills, they would not have to bludge off the work of others.

So, we have more jobs in Godzone than we have workers? Bullshit - we have more workers than we have jobs for ... and we're importing workers ... creates unemployment ..

Once again you cannot grasp the situation.
"Homeless" do not start out that way, do they? There are ample opportunities to have the taxpayer (us) provide housing, income, food in the belly and benefits to not only live, but to develop with.

Yeah ??? Wwe have something like 10,000 homeless in Auckland - how many state houses are there for them to go into?

Taking the piss and destroying a house which could house a family, or several? Fuck off and live in a portacabin or tent. We'll re-purpose that house to a family that will take a step upwards, not downwards.
If someone chooses to go down the ladder, then they will be the homeless. They do not start off that way.

I agree that crims are destroying houses .. they are crims, why do you expect them to behave any differently because some do-gooder has given them a house? I agree this is a problem ... the answers are more complex than you think ...

Not all homeless choose to go down the ladder ...

Hopefully he managed to raise your IQ a bit.

That's beneath you ... I'm just as intelligent as the kat .. we have different views of the world and we can accept that without insult each other ... and over the years he's made me thing hard about how I ride ... he's probably had more influence on me than I have had on him ...

Which, stripped of bullshit means someone who doesn't produce anything anyone else wants to buy.

And gets paid to do it.

Fuck me - is that your definition of a citizen or a member of our community? How much money they can earn ??? Just when I think you might be better than that you [prove me wrong ..

Have you ever tried claiming anything as a self employed person?

Anything at all?

Hang on - isn't your point that self-employed people are working for themselves without state support? Why would they want to claim anything ???

But in reality, corporate welfare from taxpayer money is $1.3 billion per year ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ld-752--report

[Banditbandit]

I aren't seeing katman up for inviting the homeless into his home yet so he can become the expert sympathiser on the homeless that he is.
Really, do you think the homeless give a fuck about the capatalist property speculator, by camping their sorry arses in his doorway, shitting behind his building & generally degrading the area he has put his arse on the line to upgrade & improve.
Why then should the capalist pig property speculator give a fuck about the homeless in return? Seems fair.
When they ask if they can pick up a broom or a paintbrush to improve their neighbourhood, maybe they will receive in return.

Why should the homeless give a fuck about a society which does not give a fuck about them - as you have just articulated?

Why should the homeless give a fuck about a society that only sees them as something exploit?

I understand how they feel Because I was homeless once, hang on, no I wasn't, I've never been that fuckin stupid.

This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.

I hope that neither of you end up in that situation - because then you will discover that it is not always a choice you make ...

Im fairly confident the same applies to people who argue on the internet all day too.

Coming from someone who starts his day posting on the net (8.19am ) ..

[nzspokes]

So, we have more jobs in Godzone than we have workers? Bullshit - we have more workers than we have jobs for ... and we're importing workers ... creates unemployment ..

The more people working creates more jobs. We import workers due to lack of skilled workers. Seminoff Logging is importing workers due to a lack of local drivers. And his drivers are getting sacked for failing drug tests.

[TheDemonLord]

This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.

Whilst not known for my excess sympathy, and my opinions on personal responsibility - even by my standards that is harsh to say all Homeless are lazy and all explicitly choose that path.

[Banditbandit]

If it's legal it's not 'crime', white collar or otherwise you fucken idiot.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLIENWhWsAE9lL0.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Before you go beating on the evel corporates, NZ has about the lowest tax avoidance in the western world.

In spite of the fact that the top income earners pay most of the tax bill.

yeah ???

Go here .. look at the percentages paid of income tax ... The top earners pay 16% !!! People earning between $10,000 and $40,000 pay 24%

So those earning shit loads of money pay 16% of our total tax take - those earning less than the average wage pay 24% of the total earnings tax take.


http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2...xpayers/01.htm

Now, I know that the numbers of people earning below the average wage is greater than those earnings over $100,000 ... so that distorts the raw data ...

But come on ... the low paid are paying a higher percentage of taxes than the top earners ...

This is somewhat balanced by the tax level - those earning less than 40grand were taxed (remember this is 2007 figures) at 15c in the dollar up to 21 cents in the dollar The top earners (like me) are charged up to 39c in the dollar ...

And still 24% of the total PAYE tax take is paid by the lowest earners while 16% is paid y the top earners

Now - where do you fit into this Ocean ??? Are you a top earner, one of the group paying fuck all of our total PAYE taxes, or are you a low earner - supporting the rich .. remember $1.3billion of our tax dollars goes to corporate welfare? Are you happy to support those who are apparently working hard so they don't need support?

[nodrog:Me]

I hope that neither of you end up in that situation - because then you will discover that it is not always a choice you make ...

Fuckin bullshit, what sort of a complete fuckwit do you have to be that you cant find anywhere indoors to stay.

I would suggest that if you do not have any family, friends, etc that you could stay with, and refuse assistance from various agencies, that maybe you are your own fuckin problem, not "the systems".

And I'll be sweet, Bob will let me stay in the east wing of his mansion and let me drive his Porsche.

[Akzle]

The more people working creates more jobs. We import workers due to lack of skilled workers. Seminoff Logging is importing workers due to a lack of local drivers. And his drivers are getting sacked for failing drug tests.

i dont think you understand the question

[TheDemonLord]

Now, I know that the numbers of people earning below the average wage is greater than those earnings over $100,000 ... so that distorts the raw data ...

But come on ... the low paid are paying a higher percentage of taxes than the top earners ...

But the low paid take more out of the system...