You pricks are costing us taxpayers too much money

[rastuscat]

Funny, I was just reading what Mick Doohan had to say about weghting the pegs. GP riders need to do that and we can play with weighting the peg but not too many people would bother when cruising or touring. .

And there is the crux of it.

Riding on the road, you're unlikely to need to shift your weight around like Mick Doohan.

Of course, if you are the type who loves to dress like a power ranger and ride like you want to be Mick, you'll do whatever it takes to be like him.

Mick himself had something to say about differentiating between the habits needed on the track which are not appropriate to the road.

https://youtu.be/VruWHHEnZGw

[Moi]

This might be of interest:




Downloadable pdf of the book.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've often wondered how you're supposed to weight your outside peg when you're also supposed to have your body mass over on the inside.

I've even gone looking for pictures that might illustrate an expert doing that, with no luck.

Any enlightenment, there, dude?

When i am doing it I kind of lock my top leg against the tank and footpeg and keep some pressure on it. I dunno. it seems to work because you are leaning the bike over a long way and effectively hanging from that top leg...

[HenryDorsetCase]

When i am doing it I kind of lock my top leg against the tank and footpeg and keep some pressure on it. I dunno. it seems to work because you are leaning the bike over a long way and effectively hanging from that top leg...

and I never do it on the road really because I am never that leaned over. Except when kneedown on the curletts road roundabout, obvs.

[george formby]

The reason I was introduced to body position, peg weighting etc, was to minimise lean on wet roads. Less angle for a given speed.
What I have learned from doing it is that I have more feed back and control of the bike when cornering. Braking is a lot more comfortable and I can change line to avoid possums, bags of Maccas and dirty nappy's easier.

But. It also works to increase confidence leaning further... Which always brings me back to being able to stop in the distance I can see to be clear.

[russd7]

I've been at the coal face delivering R4E courses for a year now. In that time I've had maybe 200 clients.

Only 3 have ever come off during the course, and all because they did something silly. Out riding their ability.

Nobody has been the victim of a SMIDSY which is good, as that's what we are teaching people to avoid.

tongue in cheek, and she did say it was her fault, you guys do an awesome job and i have done two gold courses and learnt from both.

[Ocean1]

Funnily enough that is another way of asking the question I did on my gold course. Kind of. The answer given to me, which I endorse wholeheartedly, is to pivot around the tank rather than shift yer weight across the bike.

Oh aye, depending on the bike and situation I do that too.

But doing that moves your weight onto the inside peg.

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There ya go. Glad to help.

I could show you pics of me doing pretty much the same thing. On a dirt bike.

And you can't really say that his weight is to the inside, can you?

Funny, I was just reading what Mick Doohan had to say about weghting the pegs. GP riders need to do that and we can play with weighting the peg but not too many people would bother when cruising or touring. Oxley said the GP riders would wear holes in the soles of their boot from working the pegs, sometimes in a single race weekend. He wrote that in the two stroke era though and I'm not sure if the big four stokes are quite as fussy.

Yeah, I was hard on trials boots for the same reason. And trials bike pegs are usually more aggressive, and you're moving a lot further than on a road bike.

I was introduced to "kiss the mirror".

That was one of my early revelations about how NOT to ride a sprotsbike like a dirt bike.

I had trouble explaining to myself why it worked. Or seemed to work. I think at least part of the reason is because it decouples your head from the bike's lean angle, which your subconscious is typically quite concerned about. That bit is all in your head.

But it also decouples a lot of your body mass from the bike's vertical, (suspension) movement, which means less peak load over mid corner bumps, which makes the bike less unsettled.

This might be of interest:

Downloadable pdf of the book.

Tah. Think I've read it but will have a look.

When i am doing it I kind of lock my top leg against the tank and footpeg and keep some pressure on it. I dunno. it seems to work because you are leaning the bike over a long way and effectively hanging from that top leg...

Aye, again I don't have a problem moving about on the bike, just understanding how you take more of your weight on the foot opposite to the way your'e moving.

The reason I was introduced to body position, peg weighting etc, was to minimise lean on wet roads. Less angle for a given speed.
What I have learned from doing it is that I have more feed back and control of the bike when cornering. Braking is a lot more comfortable and I can change line to avoid possums, bags of Maccas and dirty nappy's easier.

But. It also works to increase confidence leaning further... Which always brings me back to being able to stop in the distance I can see to be clear.

Which is why I do it, sometimes, on the road. It works.

But as you know the opposite also works on dirt bikes, and I've never changed much about how I manage a road bike from my dirt bike routine at low speed. Trail brake tight turns, bike down not the body, etc.

[russd7]

I've often wondered how you're supposed to weight your outside peg when you're also supposed to have your body mass over on the inside.

I've even gone looking for pictures that might illustrate an expert doing that, with no luck.

Any enlightenment, there, dude?

google riding off road trikes, or atv, only way to get them fuckers to spin round.

[Hubris]

Interesting thread. I did a bronze course last weekend...much of the theory was the same as back when I first did my rider training, but always good to go over the basics again. Good instructor too. Our only newbie had to drop out because of a bad valve/flat tire, so open road portion of the course was fun with some middle aged guys on full licenses.

[roy.nz]

Fuck y'all. Time to ban MURDERCYCLES.


http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/midd...#axzz46dcRciDu

These are all the original guys and gals that stuffed everything up about 30 years ago. Look at the sats it is the same group of returning bikers.

Thanks fellas.

(yes you rode +/-30 years ago but those skills wear off. So don't go buy a sports bike. Get a learner bike and work your way up again!)

[Ocean1]

These are all the original guys and gals that stuffed everything up about 30 years ago. Look at the sats it is the same group of returning bikers.

Thanks fellas.

(yes you rode +/-30 years ago but those skills wear off. So don't go buy a sports bike. Get a learner bike and work your way up again!)

Got those stats to hand, dude?

Care to share?

[old slider]

The most common crash type was crossing the centreline on a left hand curve into oncoming traffic (all on dry roads) followed by overtaking on crests or left hand curves straight in to the path of an oncoming vehicle.


All stuff you see frequently on the road. Left handers - over cooking it? Overtaking ......... mental stuff out there, I am frequently amazed how lucky some riders are.

Reading through this thread is very sobering, as an older (family grown up, mortgage paid etc) type of returning rider I can easily see how after many years of non riding and going out buying motorcycles we come unstuck.

The Stats are showing just how bad we are, or maybe it is also because there are so many more of us riding on the roads these days?
just Like push bike use took a dive, did Motorcycles do similar after the 1974 helmet law, I often thought there were less bikes on the roads during late 70s-90s, but they seem to be making a return in the 2000s with more money and us baby boomers reaching a late mid life crisis as we realise the years are running out.

[Banditbandit]

These are all the original guys and gals that stuffed everything up about 30 years ago. Look at the sats it is the same group of returning bikers.

Thanks fellas.

(yes you rode +/-30 years ago but those skills wear off. So don't go buy a sports bike. Get a learner bike and work your way up again!)

Mate - I got involved with bikes in 1972 - and I have never been without a bike since ...

Not all of us oldies (who you claim were responsible for the mess 30 years ago) are returning riders ...

And almost all the returning riders I know ride Harleys .. hardly sports bikes ... but heavy slugs with poor brakes ... and worse handling ...

[neels]

Or many returning riders would be still be alive if they did not have a mid life crisis in the first place which it is said in the media is the reason why they return to riding.

Isn't it funny that returning to doing something you enjoy, now that you have the time and money again after having a wife and kids and mortgage bleeding you dry for a decade or two, is considered a mid life crisis.

[Big Dog]

Reading through this thread is very sobering, as an older (family grown up, mortgage paid etc) type of returning rider I can easily see how after many years of non riding and going out buying motorcycles we come unstuck.

The Stats are showing just how bad we are, or maybe it is also because there are so many more of us riding on the roads these days?
just Like push bike use took a dive, did Motorcycles do similar after the 1974 helmet law, I often thought there were less bikes on the roads during late 70s-90s, but they seem to be making a return in the 2000s with more money and us baby boomers reaching a late mid life crisis as we realise the years are running out.

I reckon Japanese imports had more to do with it.
They turned a motorcycle from a cheap mode of transport that was a right of passage for many into a luxury item owned only by those whose desire to ride exceeded their desire to have the cash and lower exposure to risk and elements.
In the early 80's people spoke of bikes as cheap transport. No one ever seemed to mention the risks or the weather.
By the time I bought my first in the early nineties it was a false economy. The total cost of running a bike including gear was about the same.
Then mid nineties the levies came off. Suddenly it cost nearly twice per year to own similar vintage / prestige bike vs car.
It is marginally cheaper to commute on the bike today, but only because I would still own the bike and all the gear even if I wasn't commuting, although I suspect I would do more weekend riding and then I'd need a second car for the wife to drive the kids around while I take the car to work.
If you try hard enough you can justify anything.

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