Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[TheDemonLord]

Funny that - it was a statement issued by a retard.

Fixed it for you.

[Katman]

Because I know how much you all love videos.....

[TheDemonLord]

Because I know how much you all love videos.....

Having Truth in your name of your show/brand is like putting Democratic in the name of your country.

[Katman]

Having Truth in your name of your show/brand is like putting Democratic in the name of your country.

You might like this one though.

It's got Marcia Angell in it.

[TheDemonLord]

You might like this one though.

It's got Marcia Angell in it.

[Ocean1]

Funny that - it was a statement directed at a retard.

Dude, I'm not the one attempting to blame an industry that has the best track record in saving lives of any single endeavor in human history for incompetence.

Based, apparently on the fact that some of it operates on capitalist principles.

Now that's fucking retarded.

[Katman]

Based, apparently on the fact that some of it operates on capitalist corrupt principles.

Fixed it for you.

You're welcome.

[Ocean1]

Fixed it for you.

You're welcome.

Dude, it that's the quality of your fixes I'm astonished that you're still in business.

And history demonstrates perfectly that there's no way in hell your business is anywhere near as effective as the vast majority involved in the immunological industry.

Which leaves you looking even more absurdly irrelevant to intelligent discourse than your usual drivel paints you.

[husaberg]

Because I know how much you all love videos.....

Fixed to for you, watch for the unicorns pooping rainbows.

Katman is asking a question here

Simple as that

Why dont you provide your answer to this debate rather than bang on about qualifications and such. From what I see he has the guts to express an opinion so why not give him the courtesy of a reply

I dont have an opinion cos I have nit really read up on this. FFS guys, either join the dabte or go lord it over someone else

# Note this is ironic as Katman has never once answered a question on KB.

[Katman]

Dr William Thompson's written statement as read before the US Congress by Congressman Bill Posey.

‘My primary job duties while working in the immunization safety branch from 2000 to 2006, were to later co-lead three major vaccine safety studies. The MADDSP, MMR autism cases control study was being carried out in response to the Wakefield-Lancet study that suggested an association between the MMR vaccine and an autism-like health outcome. There were several major concerns among scientists and consumer advocates outside the CDC in the fall of 2000, regarding the execution of the Verstraeten Study. One of the important goals that was determined up front, in the spring of 2001, before any of these studies started, was to have all three protocols vetted outside the CDC prior to the start of the analyses so consumer advocates could not claim that we were presenting analyses that suited our own goals and biases. We hypothesized that if we found statistically significant effects at either 18 or 36 month thresholds, we would conclude that vaccinating children early with MMR vaccine could lead to autism-like characteristics or features. We all met and finalized the study protocol and analysis plan. The goal was to not deviate from the analysis plan to avoid the debacle that occurred with the Verstraeten thimerosal study published in Pediatrics in 2003.

‘At the Sept 5th meeting we discussed in detail how to code race for both the sample and the birth certificate sample. At the bottom of table 7, it also shows that for the non-birth certificate sample, the adjusted race effect statistical significance was huge.

‘All the authors and I met and decided sometime between August and September 2002, not to report any race effects from the paper. Sometime soon after the meeting, we decided to exclude reporting any race effects. The co-authors scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study. The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room, and reviewed and went through all the hardcopy documents that we had thought we should discard, and put them into a huge garbage can. However, because I assumed it was illegal and would violate both FOIA and DOJ requests, I kept hardcopies of all documents in my office, and I retain all associated computer files. I believe we intentionally withheld controversial findings from the final draft of the Pediatrics paper.’

[Katman]

And another written statement - this one released by Dr Thompson's attorney.

http://morganverkamp.com/statement-o...ne-and-autism/

[TheDemonLord]

Dr William Thompson's written statement as read before the US Congress by Congressman Bill Posey.

‘My primary job duties while working in the immunization safety branch from 2000 to 2006, were to later co-lead three major vaccine safety studies. The MADDSP, MMR autism cases control study was being carried out in response to the Wakefield-Lancet study that suggested an association between the MMR vaccine and an autism-like health outcome. There were several major concerns among scientists and consumer advocates outside the CDC in the fall of 2000, regarding the execution of the Verstraeten Study. One of the important goals that was determined up front, in the spring of 2001, before any of these studies started, was to have all three protocols vetted outside the CDC prior to the start of the analyses so consumer advocates could not claim that we were presenting analyses that suited our own goals and biases. We hypothesized that if we found statistically significant effects at either 18 or 36 month thresholds, we would conclude that vaccinating children early with MMR vaccine could lead to autism-like characteristics or features. We all met and finalized the study protocol and analysis plan. The goal was to not deviate from the analysis plan to avoid the debacle that occurred with the Verstraeten thimerosal study published in Pediatrics in 2003.

‘At the Sept 5th meeting we discussed in detail how to code race for both the sample and the birth certificate sample. At the bottom of table 7, it also shows that for the non-birth certificate sample, the adjusted race effect statistical significance was huge.

‘All the authors and I met and decided sometime between August and September 2002, not to report any race effects from the paper. Sometime soon after the meeting, we decided to exclude reporting any race effects. The co-authors scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study. The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room, and reviewed and went through all the hardcopy documents that we had thought we should discard, and put them into a huge garbage can. However, because I assumed it was illegal and would violate both FOIA and DOJ requests, I kept hardcopies of all documents in my office, and I retain all associated computer files. I believe we intentionally withheld controversial findings from the final draft of the Pediatrics paper.’

Cool.

Where are the Hardcopies that he supposedly kept? When we can review these and see what they show - then we can continue this discussion.

[husaberg]

Well I'll ask again.

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out whether the risk exists?

Or do you just like the idea of injecting a pathogen into a child who is only a few hours old?

(And before anyone feels the need to point it out - yes, I'm aware that New Zealand's immunisation schedule exercises slightly more caution by waiting till 6 weeks old).

First you need to know the difference between an antigen test and an antibody test.
Then you need to be able comprehend the test is only as good as the day it is carried out. Also that no biological test is 100%.
Then you need to appreciate An estimated 240 million people are chronically infected with hepatitis B (defined as hepatitis B surface antigen positive for at least 6 months).
Then you need to factor in that more than 780 000 people die every year due to complications of hepatitis B, including cirrhosis and liver cancer
Then you need to appreciate that with infants and children:80–90% of infants infected during the first year of life develop chronic infections also that 30–50% of children infected before the age of 6 years develop chronic infections.
Lastly you need to be able to comprehend that there is no specific treatment for acute hepatitis B.
Treatment can only slow the progression of cirrhosis, reduce incidence of liver cancer and improve long term survival.
The vaccination is carried out on the very young as they are most at risk of dying, it and also given so early as it is a three or four dose vaccine.
I note over 1 billion doses of hepatitis B vaccine have been used worldwide.

Do you avoid and object to tetanus and other vaccinations as well Katman?
As you have no kids, what about your animals?
Have you ever witnessed the agony an animal suffers dying of a Clostridium infection?

[Katman]

Cool.

Where are the Hardcopies that he supposedly kept? When we can review these and see what they show - then we can continue this discussion.

Do you actually think you'll have a better idea of what constitutes 'statistically significant information' and 'controversial findings' than Dr Thompson has?

[TheDemonLord]

Do you actually think you'll have a better idea of what constitutes 'statistically significant information' and 'controversial findings' than Dr Thompson has?

Then why has he not produced the Evidence?

Me thinks either the Evidence does not exist or it does not back up the claims he is making.

Compare his actions to those of say Edward Snowden who produced his evidence first.

All this posturing and Lawyering without producing anything to back up what he is saying - sounds like an empty can rattling to me....